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Old 07-18-2022, 07:28 AM   #6970
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Originally Posted by kittygrrl View Post
perhaps we should all practice mindfulness?...inotherwords, responding instead of reacting...tell me when has any judging ever ended with the other side considering for even a moment you have a valid point?? Never.
That is why this country is near a civil war because people cannot tolerate a different point of view and want to over correct the people they feel are wrong. You miss my point. Have I expressed my agreement with the original point of view? No, I haven't because I have kept that judgement to myself what i did express, a concern about all the judging done against one person's opinion. It's not fair and we should do better. Support each other and quit deciding who is a friend based on some opinion...as if we bloody have all the right answers. We don't
That's the thing. You have not expressed agreement or disagreement with slut shaming. What you have expressed an opinion about is other people's opinions regarding the slut shaming they have seen here. I am not really sure what it is that you are actually saying. Are you saying that people should not stand up for what they think is right? Are you saying that opinions are without consequence so should be allowed to stand without challenge? Are you saying we should refrain from calling out harmful opinions? What are you saying exactly?

I do get the concept that an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, but I also get that
"when bad people combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one... or all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing." I certainly am not saying that anyone here is evil. I am saying that not calling out blatantly offensive comments will have consequences and over time it allows these ideas and beliefs to flourish unchecked and become if not acceptable then at least unremarkable. I don't imagine I will change anyone's mind. But I feel it is my moral responsibility to stand up for what I believe is right. I don't want to just shake my head silently and move on.

People make judgements all the time. Judging the best course for oneself is both necessary and prudent. However making moral judgments based on societal norms is problematic. Morality is often at the mercy of the period of time and/or the type of society in control. Some things are just right or wrong but others are more ambiguous and can change depending on the circumstances. Laws are not morals. What the law allows is not the definition of what is ethical behavior.

It feels as though you have judged the only person who has a right to express their opinion is the person doing the slut shaming. And no one is supposed to mention how disturbing it is to read that kind of thing on this site. Because in your opinion that is judgemental. And as far as I can see nobody has decided they can't be friends with someone who has a different opinion. Nobody would ever know anyone if people can't tell each other how they feel and what they think.

This may not be the hill I wish to die on, but it is part of the dirt that makes up that hill. And I think the US is on the brink of civil war not because people can't tolerate differences of opinions but because white supremacists can't tolerate equality, because religious fanatics can't allow freedom. That IS the hill I will die on.
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