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Toughy · 04-02-2011, 10:25 AM

Just a couple of quick things about oil. BP just got a permit to deep water drill again in the Gulf. I've heard folks say yeah more oil produced for the US by the US............less dependence on foreign oil. The truth is that is utter bullshit.

EVERY drop of oil pumped out of the ground, no matter where it comes from, goes into a commodities market. That market.....called OPEC (Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries).....determines the price of a barrel of oil. Every country that uses oil buys those barrels at the OPEC or speculators price and imports that oil back to their country. We are buying oil pumped out of our ground from OPEC.

There is no US oil, no Libya oil, no Saudi oil......there is oil sold on the commodities market. It's a big fat joke to say we get 17% of our oil from Libya. What we do know is we use more oil than we pump out of the ground. So we do have an oil deficit.

Concerning green/renewable energy. Coal is not green/renewable energy and neither is nuclear. Folks are telling you it's cost prohibitive. Yes it is IF you continue to think about energy production and distribution in the same way we do it now....power plant supplies all energy to a town.

For solar/wind to work you have to change the paradigm of how energy is produced and distributed. If every new building (house, office, skyscraper, etc) had to be equipped with solar panels and/or wind turbines, you could end up with significant decreases in energy coming from the power plant. If every house in this country could reduce by half (with solar for example) the amount of power it got off the grid it would truly decrease the need for fossil fuel.

Nuclear............damn what a stupid and expensive way to frigging boil water to make steam to drive a turbine to produce electricity.........

And Libya........so now Obama wants to supply arms to the rebels via Saudi Arabia....like somehow passing them through the Saudis makes it better than directly giving weapons to the rebels....NO NO NO no more weapons with USA stamped on them killing/maiming people across the world.

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Toughy Senior Member How Do You Identify?: pervert butch feminist woman Preferred Pronoun?: see above Relationship Status: independent entity Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Oakland Posts: 1,826 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 4,068 Thanked 7,653 Times in 1,522 Posts Rep Power: 21474853	Just a couple of quick things about oil. BP just got a permit to deep water drill again in the Gulf. I've heard folks say yeah more oil produced for the US by the US............less dependence on foreign oil. The truth is that is utter bullshit. EVERY drop of oil pumped out of the ground, no matter where it comes from, goes into a commodities market. That market.....called OPEC (Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries).....determines the price of a barrel of oil. Every country that uses oil buys those barrels at the OPEC or speculators price and imports that oil back to their country. We are buying oil pumped out of our ground from OPEC. There is no US oil, no Libya oil, no Saudi oil......there is oil sold on the commodities market. It's a big fat joke to say we get 17% of our oil from Libya. What we do know is we use more oil than we pump out of the ground. So we do have an oil deficit. Concerning green/renewable energy. Coal is not green/renewable energy and neither is nuclear. Folks are telling you it's cost prohibitive. Yes it is IF you continue to think about energy production and distribution in the same way we do it now....power plant supplies all energy to a town. For solar/wind to work you have to change the paradigm of how energy is produced and distributed. If every new building (house, office, skyscraper, etc) had to be equipped with solar panels and/or wind turbines, you could end up with significant decreases in energy coming from the power plant. If every house in this country could reduce by half (with solar for example) the amount of power it got off the grid it would truly decrease the need for fossil fuel. Nuclear............damn what a stupid and expensive way to frigging boil water to make steam to drive a turbine to produce electricity......... And Libya........so now Obama wants to supply arms to the rebels via Saudi Arabia....like somehow passing them through the Saudis makes it better than directly giving weapons to the rebels....NO NO NO no more weapons with USA stamped on them killing/maiming people across the world.