[Ebon]

Originally Posted by DapperButch

The dash site has a long, very good thread on this.

It is called Green Masculinity - Herbs and Naturopathy as Change Agents. Or something very very close to that.

There was a guy on there...first his name was one thing and then it changed it to Captain Longjack, or something like that, who was doing this stuff. A good, yet long read. Really worth it, I think.

Over time he became a bit disenchanted, due to what linus said, but there is still A LOT of information on that thread. I can't remember what forum it is in, though.

I do remember him being big on ginger chews. He would have one in the morning and one in the afternoon, saying that they lowered his voice. He had to be consistent taking it though, as it was a short-acting fix.

A word on Tribulus... my understanding is that if a female takes too much, it will start to actually causes the body to produce more estrogen. Where is this line? I don't know...I didn't get that far in my research as I came to the conclusion that I didn't want to take the risks associated with going this route. Herbs are just as powerful as western medicine, and people forget that all the time.

Ebon, your list looks like safe stuff to me (well like you said, the DHEA is controversial), but some of the other stuff I have read about, I have wondered about.

I wish you the best of luck, buddy! P.S. What is the name of the guy who was the "guinea pig"? I am assuming that you are following a specific plan?

Never been to the dash site but I keep hearing about it. lol

Yes there is a specific plan designed not to take too much of anything and just enough to see changes over time. I know it's going to take a long time but it's worth the wait. I used to drink heavily so I'm sure my liver would rather have to deal with supplements over alcohol, although I will keep an eye on how it's doing with all of this. I also juice veggies and fruit (almost) everyday to get my correct daily amounts.