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Originally Posted by ruffryder
Does anyone think we do not need all the law enforcement present at the OWS movements?
Do you think people can really assemble peacefully if there wasn't security there?
There is an issue arising about it starting to become costly and our tax dollars going to law enforcement. Just wondering thoughts on that.
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There is a lot being spent on over time and contracting with other forces in other jurisdictions, etc. Also, the sanitation workers are involved as well as fire and the required emergency medical teams for protests/using free speech designated areas.
I think there is overkill, yet, I think that there needs to be police presence just as there is for any permitted demonstration. I certainly don't want a lack of emergency services available in case of illness or injury and things like heart attacks or strokes, drug overdoses and sexual assault- all things that are factored into any public gathering. And actually, the OWS demonstrators are entitled to the same kinds of public services utilized for free speech activities, including police protection, if needed. Unfortunately, other than the terrible acts of stupidity by some police departments in handling the protests, there have been crimes committed such as rape, and a 20 year old woman died due to a drug overdose at one Occupy protest. Public health administration is also needed with large, longer term demonstrations in which things like TB and hepatitis are transmitted- or other communicable diseases. There have been reports of both in Atlanta, but, I need more info about this as this is one of those things that something like Faux News could trump up and report. Just a fact of public gatherings and communal living. Again, these are services that all of us should expect from our public agencies, including public health info on how to take care of yourself in these kinds of settings.
The other thing is that there have been some tense interactions between groups that really attend these rallies and simply want to disrupt things and loot or damage property- they are not part of the Occupy movement- an example are the various anarchist groups that show up- and have for years.
This is straining municipal budgets that are already running in the red. But, people have been hurt at these demonstrations and there needs to be ER services available. People can get hurt at any kind of gathering and I do want there to be trained people on site to handle what could happen to anyone.
On another note- I watched the Ed Show and the interview of Scott Olsen, the ex-Marine that was severely injured by a tear gas canister at the Oakland OWS. It is obvious that his head injuries are serious and he is still having problems with speech. My heart was in my throat as I watched. This just should not have happened. The tear gas spraying at UC Davis, either. The guy is also being called un-American by right-wing jackasses. He is exercising the very rights he fought in Iraq for- and he gets called this! There are many vets that come out of war that speak out against war and other inequities. That is part of our democracy- and one I hope continues- I'm having a hard time with so much of how our freedoms are in danger via the Congress right now and giving police or federal agencies the right to search, seize or arrest without probable cause at all!
I really am upset after seeing this young man and his struggles with recovery- really bothering me. This could be my kid or Grandchild, yours, any of our loved ones (or our members here that are going out to the demonstrations) participating in a legal activity afforded us under our Constitution.