[Kobi]

Originally Posted by Miss Tick

Well, yes, I see what you are saying. As of yet, the law does not require that a woman be tied down and vaginally probed. So it is not rape. But saying she has a choice is somewhat illusionary. To me the lack of a real option makes it an emotionally violent act of power against a woman by her government.

Realistically speaking the choice has been removed. Yes, a woman can opt out but it is not as simple as saying a woman really has a choice. It’s not like making a decision to have an abortion is something so frivolous and inconsequential that a woman will just decide against it because the law has made it too emotionally traumatic to go through with. It’s not like she’s going to say “oh well if I have to have a vaginal ultrasound accompanied by a visual and verbal description of the fetus forget it. The reasons I chose to go through with this procedure are so trivial that I’ll just give birth instead.” That is a highly unlikely scenario. So really there is no choice. Just more emotional pain during an already difficult time. Not to mention the extra financial burden.

That said I really do agree that we need to keep a level head and focus on the constant and repetitive attacks against individual freedoms that are being consistently perpetrated. A woman’s right to control her own body has been under heavy attack for several years now. The passing of the law in Virginia did not happen in a vacuum. The climate has been carefully cultivated as state after state has passed laws restricting abortion. The ultimate goal is clear.

Tick, we actually agree here in all aspects. The exception may be in how we are each using the word "choice".

The object of these types of legistative abuses, seeing they cannot outright ban abortions, is to make the process of getting one more complicated, more expensive, more traumatic, more cumbersome. The agenda is very clear, the methodology is very sneaky and repulsive, the logic is just irrational.

Having said that, however, I am waiting for the next step. If this follows a reasonable course, within their warped mental processes, it stands to reason women might next be facing something like..... aborted fetuses will no longer consider "medical waste". I apologize for the insensitivity of that statement but it is a viable reality. It would then follow that women could then be required to bury the fetus. It sucks, but there is a game plan here that needs to be acknowledged and addressed.

Back to choice. It might be a semantics thing. If I were to have any type surgery tomorrow, at my age, I would be required to have an ekg and blood work as a minimum before the procedure. If I refused to have it done, the procedure would be cancelled. That is the process. One could say, I should have the choice but I dont. If I want the procedure, this is the crap that goes along with it. It is, unfortunately, a take it or leave it proposition.

Requiring a transvaginal ultrasound is no different but you have to take the emotion out of it. The procedure is still available but to get it, here are the hoops you have to jump through. It stinks, it sucks, but we seldom get to choose the process in anything.

I am less concerned with "choice" per se than I am with the "game plan" of whomever is behind this growing need to spur unevolvement in this country. That game plan is becoming more and more dangerous to women. I really think we need to keep our eye on the forest and not so much on the individual trees.

I dont know the answer here but coming from the age of social movments, I find it very concerning that we have a lot of media reports showing how our freedoms are being usurped but very little on how we are fighting back. Why is that?