[girl_dee]

Originally Posted by Medusa

This is such a salient point from you and Snowy and really speaks to perceived power. (and I don't mean that disrespectfully).
I'll try to muddle through this as best I can - Like, I think about how some of the head-patting I have been on the receiving end of has been from folks who perceived themselves to be in positions of power over me. Either as a Top, a "Daddy", an older person, a thinner person, a more educated person, etc.

How have you addressed this in your own experiences?

I have usually said something along the lines of "You may be a Daddy but you ain't *my* Daddy" and "That's great that you are older and have more experience but this is what *I* have experienced".

I do try to be mindful of my own head-patting stuff when talking to other folks and keep an open mind so that I can always learn from other folks without my own filter of "already know".

The occasion i am speaking of was with a butch, where i lived at the time, and on a first time meeting at a gathering of a few people.

They got in my personal space and spoke to me the way that is only allowed by Dominant. Not only the words were disrespectful but the body language is what bothered me even more. i was sitting, they were standing and bent down to get in my face. i said something they apparently didn't feel i had a right to, and addressed me in a VERY disrespectful manner, in front of everyone. This happened after a few head pats and there there you little femme you.

i stood up and stated clearly not to address me that way and i won't be shut down by anyone.

i get vanilla folks don't understand protocol at times. BUT this person was under the impression that submissive is submissive to all and furthermore this person concluded that i needed to be kept in *my place* by just their butch presence.

i also got the impression that this person treats femmes like this at times, vanilla or not.