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					Originally Posted by  apretty
					 
				 
				hey Bulldog, i gave this some thought too and i realize that we all (yes, including F -identified butches) have to take some responsibility here for either not speaking up, personally or not questioning the immense use of *HE* when/while it was happening.  i think that's actually pretty fair--we *all* need to take some ownership of what it means when we male-by-default or when we don't carve a space for ourselves in the community.  either way, all of us owning it is a good thing, to me, it's a great starting (over?) point. 
			
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 I agree we all need to speak up.  That is what I am doing now and I, along with other butches like Toughy, have a very long history for speaking up about this very topic.  We have worked tirelessly against the invisibility of women and female identified butches.  And we have gotten a lot of shit for it along with some support.  But yes, I whole heartedly agree with you.  Thank you for your post.