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I agree terminology evolves but sometimes it doesn't matter. People get to choose for themselves.

Originally Posted by fatallyblonde

I have yet to meet a single trans woman who has said that. Maybe they are on this forum and can correct me, but I have myself been schooled in appropriate terminology by trans women. I also know that the space inbetween trans and woman is important also and considered more correct than transwoman - terminology evolves, especially when it comes to very marginalised and oppressed groups of people. Language imposed by outsiders (MTFs, transwomen) becomes outdated in favour of that defined by the group itself (trans women). I understand that it's easy to be a little bit behind proper terminology on occasion but I'm not making this up and I think part of being considerate to trans women is complying with new forms once aware of them.

All my woman friends prefer just being called women. When asked what their preference when being identified as a group they identify as women. Not MTF woman or trans woman just woman. My friends, their preference, and their choice. Qualifiers are clinical and I am not into that. I am the same way. I am a guy and my name is Grant, not trans man Grant or FTM Grant.

I am intensely surprised some of the intelligent members of this community also seem to be unaware of the fact that the same rhetoric used to argue that trans men are still lesbians (!!!!) is the exact same rhetoric used to exclude trans women from women's and lesbian spaces.

I am not sure where anyone here said that men like me are still lesbians. I think someone said if a man like me wants to id as lesbian that it is ok. I understand what you are saying. I just don't see that here.

This post isn't complete but I have to dash now... I don't think I want to contribute anymore anyway.