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Toughy · 04-07-2011, 11:38 AM

I"m curious about the 'cost way out of sight'. Is it way out of sight because you are trying to get completely off the grid? Is it way out of sight to use solar for half your electricity? What is making the cost way out of sight? Is it the panels themselves, the batteries and/or the cost of labor for installing them? Is it cost prohibitive in the short term or does that extend 10 years out?

What is driving the cost so high? Are there government programs to help defray the cost?

My mother came from poor ass dirt farmers. They had a couple of windmills that pumped water into water tanks for the animals on the farm. Those windmills had batteries attached to them and those batteries stored power and that's how they had some electricity on the farm. This was in the 20's and 30's.

Let's look at General Electric, with a 5.1 billion dollar profit for 2010, for a minute. (http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.co...-ges-tax-bill/)

<snip> Samuels said at a tax forum in February that GE needs a tax system that will let it compete effectively with giant, foreign-based multinationals like Mitsubishi, Siemens (SI), and Phillips. However, their effective tax rates for earnings purposes last year were 40%, 31% and 26% respectively, compared with 7% for GE. (GE says its tax rate's been artificially low the past few years, and will soon rise.)

a bit more on GE:

In the period between 1991 and 2009 GE's pretax income is cumulatively $293 billion on which however the firm has paid only $25.2 billion in current domestic taxes, or a 8.58% cumulative tax rate.

Yet where it gets wild is the narrower period between 2002 and 2009, during which time frame the firm made a generous $164.4 billion in pretax net income (not to mention $639 billion in domestic revenue, just over half of total revenues of $1.2 trillion) it paid only $5 billion in domestic current taxes, or a 3.17% tax rate! So our question to the administration is how does $639 billion in domestic revenue, and $164 billion in total net income, result in $5 billion in taxes?

Source: http://www.zerohedge.com/article/how...mestic-revenue

If that doesn't piss you off nothing will. GE has paid a smaller percentage in taxes than probably 98% of folks on this website. Yet the asshole corporatist in Congress are going to shut down the government because 'we don't have enough money' for health care and education and must cut the budget.

And folks can't afford to put solar panels on their homes or small business.

sorry I kinda ranted off subject for a minute or two...........

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