Woman Posed as a 14-year old boy to have sex with 16 yr old girl

Linus · 07-08-2010, 04:34 PM

Stuff like this ends up being related to trans individuals (whether transgendered or transsexed) and it infuriates me. She lied to get involved with a girl that was under age (per law?). What people will focus on is how she changed her gender to get involved with the girl.

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Patricia Dye, 31, posed as a 14-year-old boy under the alias Matt Abrams in order to allegedly have sex with a 16-year-old girl in Springboro, Ohio, according to the Dayton Daily News.

Dye was arrested after the underage girl she is accused of having sex with fled the hotel room that she shared with Dye, reports CBS News. Police say that the girl fled after finding out that Dye was an adult woman and not the boy that she had claimed to be.

Dye has admitted to posing as a young boy, but has not yet spoken on allegations of whether or not she had sex with the victim. Before her arrest, Dye stayed with the girl for in a hotel for three days.

"They were boyfriend-girlfriend," Sgt. Bob Marchiny said. "(Dye) looks just like a boy." Dye, a 4-foot-11 woman from Franklin was six inches shorter than the victim and has no local criminal record to show.

Dye is charged with corruption of a minor and unlawful sex with a minor. She is being held on $100,000 bail.

Waldo · 07-08-2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Linus

Stuff like this ends up being related to trans individuals (whether transgendered or transsexed) and it infuriates me. She lied to get involved with a girl that was under age (per law?). What people will focus on is how she changed her gender to get involved with the girl.

Linus where are you seeing this associated with Trans individuals? In thirteen pages of comments I see only one person using trans in anything approaching a remotely confused fashion. Someone else comments on trans but in a reference to Brandon Teena. And I'm not seeing any trans discussion of it on Twitter.

And not to fan the flames, but does anyone know if this individual identifies as trans or not or whether this person was simply preying on younger individuals?

If you are intent on having sex with an individual, of any age, would you not come out as trans assuming your genitalia does not conform to expectations? I would, but I'm neither trans nor male identified so it's easy for me to say.

But this begs the question - which is the bigger moral morass? Lying about your age or your gender (in this case I'm identifying this as a lie because clearly the "victim" in question was unawares that her paramour was not born a boy and did not have male genitalia) in order to get what you want?

BullDog · 07-08-2010, 04:51 PM

My first reaction is people are going to think this is a sick lesbian- which she may in fact be (don't know how she ids or what her sexual preference is if she is having sex with consenting adults) given she was trying to have sex with a minor. I don't see where transphobia is coming into play.

The first comment was about lesbians who look like Justin Bieber

Linus · 07-08-2010, 04:53 PM

A few of the comments on the other news sites that have this article suggest the commentors view this as "a sickness" or a "disease" and relate it to trans individuals. Whether explicit or not, it will be associated. It's partially where the "transwomen are rapists" come from.

BullDog · 07-08-2010, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Linus

A few of the comments on the other news sites that have this article suggest the commentors view this as "a sickness" or a "disease" and relate it to trans individuals. Whether explicit or not, it will be associated. It's partially where the "transwomen are rapists" come from.

There will probably be both trans and lesbian bashing come out of the story. Also a lot of people don't make real clear cut distinctions.

No matter how this person identifies in terms of gender as far as I am concerned she is definitely wrong trying to have sex with a minor- through any form of deception or not.

BullDog · 07-08-2010, 05:13 PM

OK this might be an interesting story to follow for some of the points raised in the misogyny thread. I think pretty much everyone agrees that what the woman did was wrong. However, it does not excuse anyone from making pejorative and negative stereotypical statements about transgendered, transsexed or lesbian people. That can not only perpetuate stereotypes but can also lead sometimes to real world violence.

So if anyone is following the story more closely maybe they can let us know what is being discussed. I am sure it won't be pretty, but how things are framed and described could shed some light- personal experiences/something genuinely bad or wrong happening vs. the perpetuation of stereotypes.

Waldo · 07-08-2010, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Linus

A few of the comments on the other news sites that have this article suggest the commentors view this as "a sickness" or a "disease" and relate it to trans individuals. Whether explicit or not, it will be associated. It's partially where the "transwomen are rapists" come from.

"this" may well be a sickness. But, seriously I've now looked at seven other news outlets from the NY Daily News to MSNBC and AZCentral.com and again, one other Trans comment.

There is likely some transphobia around this but I don't think that's the overriding theme of the phobia, at least what I'm seeing.

favorite comment: "too fucking ugly to give someone oral" clearly this person is a big fan of Ron Jeremy.

Edited to add; "This" does not equal trans or queerness... but the actions of this individual.

Andrew, Jr. · 07-08-2010, 04:53 PM

Linus,

I agree with you. It pisses me off beyond words.

Leigh · 07-08-2010, 05:15 PM

I really do hate seeing stories like this because alot of people can and probably will relate this story to trans issues. Of course because we don't know how Dye is id'ing or what exactly motivated her to do this in the first place, it was stupid and she should have known better!

Linus · 07-08-2010, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Braedon

I really do hate seeing stories like this because alot of people can and probably will relate this story to trans issues. Of course because we don't know how Dye is id'ing or what exactly motivated her to do this in the first place, it was stupid and she should have known better!

She used multiple different names and posted pictures that showed her both in her boy form and female form. This sounds like a con artist pure and simple. This does not sound like an ID issue but I wonder if she will use that as a defense at some point.

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