"Tough Guise"

D-Money · 11-15-2009, 09:36 AM

an extremely interesting video about the downside of the facade of masculinity.

it's geared toward high school and college aged men, but i think it reaches further than that= to anyone who wears the cloak of masculinity and all of us who live with those who do- which means all of us ... interesting stuff.

i'll just leave this here ...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...2437500432634#

BullDog · 11-16-2009, 11:01 AM

Thank you for posting this. I plan to watch the video later when I have time. I see queer communities often reveling in masculinity and thinking we can bond over masculinity without a lot of examination or discussion about it is or where it comes from, and it makes me very uneasy.

I see lots of people wanting to be acknowledged as male or masculine but not really show much self reflection or take on the responsibilities or consequences of what that means in our culture at large or in queer communities or butch femme communities specifically. There's a lot of posturing, but how much substance? None of us are immune from the cultures we come from.

I am butch, I am masculine and do enjoy being masculine- but the "tough guise"- it needs to be examined.

Thanks again D-Money.

D-Money · 11-16-2009, 01:26 PM

awesome, Bulldog!! i hope folks are able to find the time to watch this ... there's a lot of great stuff in this video. it's important!!

(good to see you again, Bulldog!)

Gryph · 11-18-2009, 12:37 PM

I won't be able to watch it all, as I have to go to work, but what I've seen so far...Powerful!

Toughy · 11-18-2009, 02:03 PM

damn...........I'm sending the link to my nieces and nephews and great nieces and nephews........and a whole bunch of other folks

the 'average American in the Heartland' really really needs to see this.......

comments to come after I digest..........

PapaC · 11-18-2009, 02:34 PM

No kidding. I'm listening to this right now, and I think I'm in love with this man who made this film.

Bad_boi · 05-03-2010, 06:13 PM

To me a real man/butch/masculine carbon based lifeform, is tough. But there are many ways of being tough that have little to do with violence or anger. Tough can be physical, or mental. Tough can be standing up for what you beleve in. Tough can be giving your friend your coat because she is cold and you are tough enough to tolerate the cold till you get inside.

But that is merely one thing that makes someone a real man. I think another attribute is to be the guy who stands behind those hy loves. Hy is a good significant other, a good friend that helps you and understands you if hy is a dad hy loves and supports hys kids. Hy is the kind of person who you can call at midnight for someone to talk to. Hy is the nice guy who does not mind fixing something of helping move something.

Just because your masculine does not mean you have the feelings of a pet rock!

chai~ · 02-26-2012, 10:36 PM

~saving for later~

11-15-2009, 09:36 AM	#1
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11-18-2009, 12:37 PM	#4
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11-16-2009, 11:01 AM	#2
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11-16-2009, 01:26 PM	#3
D-Money Member How Do You Identify?: i do what i want :) Relationship Status: well, i'm not banging my ex anymore, so that's good ;) Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: at The Pink Taco. really ... it's called The Pink Taco ;) Posts: 126 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 0 Thanked 86 Times in 34 Posts Rep Power: 48487	awesome, Bulldog!! i hope folks are able to find the time to watch this ... there's a lot of great stuff in this video. it's important!! (good to see you again, Bulldog!)

11-18-2009, 02:03 PM	#5
Toughy Senior Member How Do You Identify?: pervert butch feminist woman Preferred Pronoun?: see above Relationship Status: independent entity Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Oakland Posts: 1,826 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 4,068 Thanked 7,653 Times in 1,522 Posts Rep Power: 21474853	damn...........I'm sending the link to my nieces and nephews and great nieces and nephews........and a whole bunch of other folks the 'average American in the Heartland' really really needs to see this....... comments to come after I digest..........

11-18-2009, 02:34 PM	#6
PapaC Member How Do You Identify?: FTM-Queer Preferred Pronoun?: He Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: west coast Posts: 214 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 412 Thanked 486 Times in 111 Posts Rep Power: 1281637	No kidding. I'm listening to this right now, and I think I'm in love with this man who made this film.

05-03-2010, 06:13 PM	#7
Bad_boi Member How Do You Identify?: Transman (male) Preferred Pronoun?: He, Him, His ect. Relationship Status: Handsome bastard. Tournaments Won: 1 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Seattle Posts: 727 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 122 Thanked 1,824 Times in 499 Posts Rep Power: 0	To me a real man/butch/masculine carbon based lifeform, is tough. But there are many ways of being tough that have little to do with violence or anger. Tough can be physical, or mental. Tough can be standing up for what you beleve in. Tough can be giving your friend your coat because she is cold and you are tough enough to tolerate the cold till you get inside. But that is merely one thing that makes someone a real man. I think another attribute is to be the guy who stands behind those hy loves. Hy is a good significant other, a good friend that helps you and understands you if hy is a dad hy loves and supports hys kids. Hy is the kind of person who you can call at midnight for someone to talk to. Hy is the nice guy who does not mind fixing something of helping move something. Just because your masculine does not mean you have the feelings of a pet rock!

02-26-2012, 10:36 PM	#8
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