It's not OK to..........

[C0LLETTE]

Originally Posted by kittygrrl

it's unconscionable but then this is nothing new considering-----> it's governor Snyder we are talking about..it makes me want to scream but this wouldn't do any good..people have to learn to become politically active or lose their ability to protect themselves. They need to become dynamic in proactive political involvement instead of victims. It's unfair that they have to get out of their comfort zone and diligently promote democracy and democrats but that is what is required at this point. ie Flint did not come out and campaign and vote for Hillary. If they had voted and promoted she would have won Michigan and she would have carried that state and possibly gave that awful governor reason to fear their clout.

WHY is it unfair that they have to get out of their comfort zone and diligently promote democracy and Democrats? Who exactly is going to do it for them? They should have been screaming bloody murder and still be screaming bloody murder. There are no tooth fairies.

First class taught in public schools should be: how to figure out when you're being lied to and used.

Second class should be: in not waiting around benignly to get helped when you know you're being fucked ( or even remotely suspect it).

Third class should be in: not being afraid of those tin pot creeps that rule you. When the masses get big enough the monsters inevitably crumble into dried piles of dung.

But you must have courage and you must not completely rely on someone else to do it for you.

New to North America but not so foreign in the rest of the world: By the age of 10 or 12, you really should know how to survive even if it isn't pretty.

[kittygrrl]

Originally Posted by C0LLETTE

WHY is it unfair that they have to get out of their comfort zone and diligently promote democracy and Democrats? Who exactly is going to do it for them? They should have been screaming bloody murder and still be screaming bloody murder. There are no tooth fairies.

First class taught in public schools should be: how to figure out when you're being lied to and used.

Second class should be: in not waiting around benignly to get helped when you know you're being fucked ( or even remotely suspect it).

Third class should be in: not being afraid of those tin pot creeps that rule you. When the masses get big enough the monsters inevitably crumble into dried piles of dung.

But you must have courage and you must not completely rely on someone else to do it for you.

New to North America but not so foreign in the rest of the world: By the age of 10 or 12, you really should know how to survive even if it isn't pretty.

I think we in America think good will prevail..it's typically something those with white priviledge have taken for granted for years..when you are brown unless you are lucky enough to be raised in a family with affluence you don't have that sense of safety and fairness..Yes, I know we elected a black president but that hardly means racism is dead..and brown people although happy about Obama's election did not realize much of a boost in upward mobility. Most of the poor stayed poor or even became poorer..There are many reasons why brown people do not feel empowered, education is the first hurdle many cannot overcome, and the second the experience of daily racism in the South and even the North etc. I won't go into the whys because it's not something white people will really understand on a granular level..However, I will say when faced with day to day racism you usually choose between becoming militant or go quiet. Whatever you choose things will not change so why should they vote? Police brutality is rampant and nobody cares enough to do something about it, except young people and they are not in power. Also Republicans have gone out of their way to suppress the vote of minorities by making it difficult to register. Right now they have the upper hand, but at some point in the next 10 years (if we don't manage to blow ourselves up or wreck the planet) brown people will outnumber whites and there will be a reckoning and my guess is, it won't be pretty. I was being a little sarcastic because those on the democratic side have an advantage and have won two of the last three elections so their lack of enthusiasm is obvious..and I believe felt by minorities even more so...It's easy to preach about why not get active when you have never had to struggle on a visceral level just to survive..you take it for granted you will..if you're brown you never can relax there is always something lurking to bring you down, voting seems pretty minor in comparison.. Also to date brown people have never equated voting with surviving..we are too busy raising and trying to make sure our kids get an education, have enough food on the table and are not shot by police..That's reality for a great many brown moms.

[homoe]

These sport athletes, who continuously told lie after lie only to be proven, to be rewarded weather with big jobs or endorsement deals!

Pete Rose, Alex Rodigues, Tom Brady, the list goes on and on!

I believe in giving someone a second chance, but with these sports figures who had more than ample opportunities to step up and take responsibility and didn't, then only to score jobs as commentators or pitch men, just has me shaking my head!

[C0LLETTE]

True enough, Kitty. However, unless I'm completely mistaken"movements" for any sort of equality or fairness rarely if ever rise from the "bottom" up. Perhaps, it is, as you say, people there don't have the spare time . Thing is, you don't have to organise and lead, you just have to allow yourself to get angry enough to join. So far, the anger seems far too directed at those who didn't do enough for people...it does not work that way and never has.

Appreciate the organisers, even if some are White, middle-class and have never suffered any hardship , cause frankly, in this venal world, they're amongst the very few who give a shit. And most of them really are prepared to die for human rights and equality. That IS who is yelling at the top of the barricade.