2020 Presidential Election

[cathexis]

Originally Posted by dark_crystal

You're talking about Horseshoe Theory and there are very few two-word phrases that will get leftists online as riled up as that one.

I just feel like capitalism is totally fine when it comes to discretionary consumption items, but it never should have been applied to staple items, justice, health, education, warfighting, or politics.

And it seems willfully obtuse to insist capitalism has to be all or nothing. To insist that if we take profit out of life-or-death matters then the next thing you know we'll all have matching government haircuts and uniform scrubs, is disingenuous to the extreme, but we fall all over ourselves trying to disprove it..

The "mistake" of the mainstream dems (mistake in quotes because it is applied with the benefit of the doubt) was in believing that conservatives actually wanted the outcomes they claimed to want. Dems believed conservatives would work with them if they could get to a result that lay somewhere within the scope of what they could find tolerable.

This was never going to be the case, as conservatives don't actually want any of the things they talk about. They just want wealth and power. So dems compromised themselves making a good faith argument to a bad faith premise.

As i said, "mistake" gives the benefit of the doubt. Wealthy people are wealthy people first and foremost. To me it seems like the past 30 years have been "capitalism with patriarchy and white supremacy" vs "capitalism with ladies."

"Capitalism with ladies" is the lesser of two evils, by far (freedom from forced birth is still a pretty good deal), but neither party wants equality.

Actually, my assertion was that the Horseshoe Model failed to accept that the Right Anarchist and Left Anarchist extremists had very little ideological difference. I maintain that it is a full circle.

Looking at the public response to those tiny factions is one of many variables that can give one an idea of the current and possibly predict the political heading. I am referring to very small changes occurring in those extremist parties. Sometimes, it can be difficult to find the data needed for this analysis.

A possibility that I see happening would be that the Right wing momentum continue leading us fully into Fascism. The Constitutional checks and balances have not, thus far, kept this regime in check. However, The House needs a chance to do it's work. The Founding Fathers could not have anticipated a regime like Trump's getting into office. So far, the Checks and Balances have not held him back. He removed transgender persons from serving by Tweet. The environment is at risk by Executive Orders. Now they have Roe v Wade in the crosshairs. Not to mention all else he's done.

If we are to escape the path we are following, we need a strong no-nonsense, statesman/stateswoman; however, thus far there's no one who fits my definition of a candidate for President who can reverse our course abruptly. I believe this individual needs to have a great deal of experience in terms of government (or executive) leadership, and be someone other countries can relate to.

[nhplowboi]

I feel like such a hypocrite because I was all for Beto in the Senate but I have to say ….um no as my president.

[MsTinkerbelly]

Originally Posted by nhplowboi

I feel like such a hypocrite because I was all for Beto in the Senate but I have to say ….um no as my president.

Well, since so many put so much store in how many dollars were raised in the first 24 hours, Beto raised more (6.1 million) than Bernie, and raised money from all 50 states.

So I guess money raising ability is what we all get to judge Presidental worthiness by these days.

** said with tongue in cheek.

[nhplowboi]

lol....yes it is so often all about the $$$$$$!! I am thinking I was Beto so he would get some real time experience and after that I wanted to see how he faired in the bigger time. I do not feel he is ready to run our country...….likable but not presidential.

[Martina]

Today Beto seemed to be taking a step back from Medicare for all.

Recent polls suggest Trump's popularity is on the rise. Scary.

I support Bernie. If it's not Bernie, I honestly don't care that much which candidate gets the nomination. I dislike Corey Booker. But I've changed my mind about not voting for him. I'll vote for any Dem. But I just don't care much who wins if it's not Bernie.

[MsTinkerbelly]

Originally Posted by Martina

Today Beto seemed to be taking a step back from Medicare for all.

Recent polls suggest Trump's popularity is on the rise. Scary.

I support Bernie. If it's not Bernie, I honestly don't care that much which candidate gets the nomination. I dislike Corey Booker. But I've changed my mind about not voting for him. I'll vote for any Dem. But I just don't care much who wins if it's not Bernie.

I can’t post articles for some reason, but there was one out today that dealt with a news source holding back a story about Beto and the hacking group he belonged to in college and beyond, in order to help recently in attempting to defeat Ted Cruz.

Too much baggage for me, but like you, I will vote for anyone running against Trump. I still feel Kamala is a better candidate, but Beto is being promoted by the media as the next coming. Beto is also unemcumbered by job responsibilities, and can campaign heavily before everyone else is able to dedicate the time.

The article is by Reuters news

[nhplowboi]

Originally Posted by Martina

Today Beto seemed to be taking a step back from Medicare for all.

Recent polls suggest Trump's popularity is on the rise. Scary.

I support Bernie. If it's not Bernie, I honestly don't care that much which candidate gets the nomination. I dislike Corey Booker. But I've changed my mind about not voting for him. I'll vote for any Dem. But I just don't care much who wins if it's not Bernie.

Hmmm polls. Have to say I do not take much stock in them anymore. They are great for getting my BP up but I have to say there is no way I am believing this is how our country thinks. A 30 percent base of knuckleheads can not skew polls that badly.

[Martina]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...e-bannon-right

I have to say she might be one I could not vote for if she got the nomination. Strong scent of crazy coming from her.

[nhplowboi]

Originally Posted by Martina

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...e-bannon-right

I have to say she might be one I could not vote for if she got the nomination. Strong scent of crazy coming from her.

I did not know what to think of her when she first came on the scene, other than knowing she is a "reformed" gay basher. Then I heard she went to Syria (a couple of years ago) and had a visit with Assad. Can we say that seems a little ODD?! Now when asked, she refuses to say Assad is a war criminal..... that is all I needed to make up my mind about her.

[Gráinne]

Originally Posted by C0LLETTE

Jussie Smollet : got an opinion on how this is unfolding?

is this legitimate political fodder?

The prosecutor (and Smollet's mother) are close friends with the Obamas. This smells like the Obamas, or someone very high up at their instruction, made a call. It stinks.

That puts them very closely connected to two of the biggest political scandals in American history.

I was so excited when he was elected (and reelected). Wow.

I can already hear the name-calling begin. I'm sure this is the most unpopular opinion on the board.

[Martina]

What scandals?

[kittygrrl]

Originally Posted by Gráinne

The prosecutor (and Smollet's mother) are close friends with the Obamas. This smells like the Obamas, or someone very high up at their instruction, made a call. It stinks.

That puts them very closely connected to two of the biggest political scandals in American history.

I was so excited when he was elected (and reelected). Wow.

I can already hear the name-calling begin. I'm sure this is the most unpopular opinion on the board.

name calling as in you're a Republican?..i don't think it's helpful to spread rumors if you don't have first hand knowledge..why don't you just stick to the facts? For example Rahm Emanuel was Pres Obama's chief of Staff in White House...so what favor is Obama asking of him?...what you're saying is wrong..how would you like it if someone spread rumors about you without having any actual knowledge, just gossip..it's ridiculous.

[Gráinne]

Originally Posted by Martina

What scandals?

The Russian collusion lie and now this.

[C0LLETTE]

Originally Posted by kittygrrl

name calling as in you're a Republican?..i don't think it's helpful to spread rumors if you don't have first hand knowledge..why don't you just stick to the facts? For example Rahm Emanuel was Pres Obama's chief of Staff in White House...so what favor is Obama asking of him?...what you're saying is wrong..how would you like it if someone spread rumors about you without having any actual knowledge, just gossip..it's ridiculous.

Nothing personal but I do think just about anything posted here is gossip without having any actual knowledge...what else do we have
?

[kittygrrl]

Originally Posted by C0LLETTE

Nothing personal but I do think just about anything posted here is gossip without having any actual knowledge...what else do we have
?

If you have opinions about this candidate or that one I've no problem listening but i have no use for malicious gossip. I won't indulge or put up with it in my personal life, why should i listen to it in a political thread? It's dirty, and it's not based on fact. People who indulge in it usually lead boring lives themselves so they must fantasize about yours or some other poor soul and cannot articulate on their own an individual, intelligent opinion based on what they have seen, observed or experienced. It's also very annoying and boring. that's why.

[Martina]

Originally Posted by Gráinne

The Russian collusion lie and now this.

You're saying Jesse Smollett is one of the biggest scandals in US history?

Who is connected? Smollett's mother, the prosecutor, Obama? How is any of them connected to the accusation of Russian collusion?

[MsTinkerbelly]

Originally Posted by Gráinne

The Russian collusion lie and now this.

Wow.

There was plenty of collusion and lying by the Presidents campaign and crew, or are the felonies all lies? The Mueller report is not out yet, so I’m saving my gossip and suppositions for the actual facts.

[Martina]

I am a Bernie supporter first and last, but when Kamala talks about raises for teachers, my mouth starts to water. Love hearing that.

[charley]

I think it might be more appropriate to call The Mueller Report the Barr memo, or rather better Barrnotes... you do remember Coles Notes, Barnes' Notes?
Saw that on Colbert...

[Martina]

A quarterly FEC fundraising deadline is tonight. I don't understand these or why they are important, whether matching funds are determined or what? I googled, but could not figure it out in the time I wanted to spend.

ANYWAY, it did motivate me to donate to Bernie and Kamala and smaller amounts to Buttigieg and Warren. I guess if you aren't already donating, you might want to consider doing it today since they are telling us this deadline matters.

I just gave a couple bucks to Hickenlooper, too. Hey, he owns a brew pub, and he's awkward as hell. That's enough to recommend him at this stage.