Pagan

Bit · 08-14-2010, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Nat

thanks bit - your post was both informative and cute

(the abundance comment - ha!)

It's funny today. It wasn't funny when I had to go buy new pants back then!

But yeah... I do laugh about it now.

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Originally Posted by Nat

I think I have a lot of ambivalence about money. I can't seem to work it out inside my own head and heart, and I feel like my intention is too muddy.

Are you a writer? I worked at least part of it out by journaling. I wrote about what money means to me, why I want it, why I need it, why I deserve it... oh that one was HARD hard hard!!! I wrote about cycles and abundances and scarcity and fear.... and yanno, at the bottom of it all--at least so far--is fear. I'm afraid, on a deep deep level, that I'm going to be badly punished if I have money... it's the religious brainwashing I was subjected to and I haven't yet gotten rid of all of it. *sigh* But I work on it all that I can, and it is getting better. I've released a LOT of the fear just by using the mantra "may we prosper in all things, especially financially" on a regular basis.

Uh oh, big thunder--better disconnect computers until tomorrow!

Nat · 09-02-2010, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bit

It's funny today. It wasn't funny when I had to go buy new pants back then!

But yeah... I do laugh about it now.

Are you a writer? I worked at least part of it out by journaling. I wrote about what money means to me, why I want it, why I need it, why I deserve it... oh that one was HARD hard hard!!! I wrote about cycles and abundances and scarcity and fear.... and yanno, at the bottom of it all--at least so far--is fear. I'm afraid, on a deep deep level, that I'm going to be badly punished if I have money... it's the religious brainwashing I was subjected to and I haven't yet gotten rid of all of it. *sigh* But I work on it all that I can, and it is getting better. I've released a LOT of the fear just by using the mantra "may we prosper in all things, especially financially" on a regular basis.

Uh oh, big thunder--better disconnect computers until tomorrow!

Bit - I'm sorry I missed this. I do write in a journal but not nearly enough to have clear thoughts.

I think I'll take your recommendation with that.

Nat · 09-02-2010, 08:31 PM

I wanted to recommend a podcast episode I really enjoyed: linky

It's an interview with Cat Yronwode, the owner of quite a few websites including Lucky Mojo. If you're at all interested in Hoodoo, I think it's worth a listen. She's very insightful and knowledgeable.

Also, I just got to listen to Arwen's latest Tarotscope and it was great as usual.

Bit · 09-02-2010, 10:03 PM

Hi Nat! How are you this week?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I have a couple books to recommend. A friend lent them to me and I've been enjoying the inspiration!

Witch Crafts: 101 Projects for Creative Pagans, and The Crafty Witch: 101 Ideas for Every Occasion, both by Willow Polson. The projects range from beginner to advanced-intermediate crafter and cover a wide range of materials, from simple embroideries to constructed fabric crafts, painting pre-made wooden items to carving your own wooden items, stringing simple beads to peyote stitching an amulet bag, working copper tooling foil to making wire jewelry. Working with yarn, naturecrafts, paper and glass are also included.

What I like the best is seeing craft item after craft item with a Pagan theme. So often I look at craft books and have to stretch to see the projects as Pagan, and certainly when shopping (especially at the holidays) the "Paganest" things I can find are just nature-themed... it's just plain flat NICE to find over 200 projects which are specifically meant to support us on our paths.

Soft*Silver · 09-02-2010, 10:33 PM

I have a question for the pagan group. Do you think, as a serious life long ancestorial based pagan, that you could couple with someone who is a devout xtian? Clearly a genuine xtian.

A friend of mine is about to do this and I think she has lost her mind. I have a very tarnished view of xtians and while i have nothing against the religion, nor Jesus, I DO have things against the individuals and the groups within this religion that use it to hurt people.

Like abortion issues. She is so pro choice and her intended is so pro life. She reads cards and her intended feels its a potential evil. Prophesy is a no no. She is a solitary and her intended is very much active in hir church.

both are good people from what I can see. I know my friend is and this new person seems to be.

Not that its my business but until now, I never thought of religion being a factor in a relationship...but...

thoughts?

Nat · 09-03-2010, 06:33 AM

Hi Bit

I'm good. The book sounds like fun.

softness - I think it depends on what kind of Christian the person is. If the person is a "judge not lest ye be judged" type, it could work out. I think it would be a little tough but I think people work stuff like that out often enough. I was married to a Christian and I was an Atheist at the time - it was never the issue I was afraid it would be. I haven't tried the Pagan / Christian combo.

waxnrope · 09-03-2010, 09:08 AM

Hey Softness,

I'm a Christian who believes that people have the right to believe in whatever they chose, or not. With the proviso that these beliefs, or non beliefs, do no harm to others. I also had been in a relationship with a non- practicing Jew, who was an atheist. I did/do not believe in prosecuting. However, her contempt for religion was such that it drove a wedge between us. I seldom discussed my pov, nor invited her to the church. She was capable of asking for what she wanted.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that, first of all, it probably isn't our business what piles our friends step in, unless we are asked. Having said this, it FEELS like an unworkable situation. Believe it or not, there are Christians who support a woman's right to chose, and believe in same sex marriage, etc. Many of your friend's so called "secular" beliefs are core values, IMO, and seem so very incompatible with her new partner. I suppose one can give up that piece of herself, but ... Then again, as the old adage goes, "miracles do happen." Just an opinion.

09-02-2010, 08:31 PM	#3
Nat Senior Member How Do You Identify?: bigender (DID System) Preferred Pronoun?: he/him or alter-specific Relationship Status: Unavailable Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Central TX Posts: 3,538 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 11,051 Thanked 13,969 Times in 2,590 Posts Rep Power: 21474855	I wanted to recommend a podcast episode I really enjoyed: linky It's an interview with Cat Yronwode, the owner of quite a few websites including Lucky Mojo. If you're at all interested in Hoodoo, I think it's worth a listen. She's very insightful and knowledgeable. Also, I just got to listen to Arwen's latest Tarotscope and it was great as usual. __________________ I'm a fountain of blood. In the shape of a girl. - Bjork What is to give light must endure burning. -Viktor Frankl

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SoftSilver Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: femme Preferred Pronoun?: she Relationship Status: Married Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: rose cottage Posts: 5,594 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 8,948 Thanked 15,897 Times in 4,064 Posts Rep Power*: 21474858	I have a question for the pagan group. Do you think, as a serious life long ancestorial based pagan, that you could couple with someone who is a devout xtian? Clearly a genuine xtian. A friend of mine is about to do this and I think she has lost her mind. I have a very tarnished view of xtians and while i have nothing against the religion, nor Jesus, I DO have things against the individuals and the groups within this religion that use it to hurt people. Like abortion issues. She is so pro choice and her intended is so pro life. She reads cards and her intended feels its a potential evil. Prophesy is a no no. She is a solitary and her intended is very much active in hir church. both are good people from what I can see. I know my friend is and this new person seems to be. Not that its my business but until now, I never thought of religion being a factor in a relationship...but... thoughts? __________________ Pole bachit, a lis chuye. The field sees, the forest hears

09-03-2010, 06:33 AM	#6
Nat Senior Member How Do You Identify?: bigender (DID System) Preferred Pronoun?: he/him or alter-specific Relationship Status: Unavailable Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Central TX Posts: 3,538 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 11,051 Thanked 13,969 Times in 2,590 Posts Rep Power: 21474855	Hi Bit I'm good. The book sounds like fun. softness - I think it depends on what kind of Christian the person is. If the person is a "judge not lest ye be judged" type, it could work out. I think it would be a little tough but I think people work stuff like that out often enough. I was married to a Christian and I was an Atheist at the time - it was never the issue I was afraid it would be. I haven't tried the Pagan / Christian combo. __________________ I'm a fountain of blood. In the shape of a girl. - Bjork What is to give light must endure burning. -Viktor Frankl

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09-02-2010, 10:03 PM	#4
Bit Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Stonefemme Relationship Status: married to Gryph Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 2,177 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 1,126 Thanked 3,770 Times in 1,264 Posts Rep Power: 10778871	Hi Nat! How are you this week? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I have a couple books to recommend. A friend lent them to me and I've been enjoying the inspiration! Witch Crafts: 101 Projects for Creative Pagans, and The Crafty Witch: 101 Ideas for Every Occasion, both by Willow Polson. The projects range from beginner to advanced-intermediate crafter and cover a wide range of materials, from simple embroideries to constructed fabric crafts, painting pre-made wooden items to carving your own wooden items, stringing simple beads to peyote stitching an amulet bag, working copper tooling foil to making wire jewelry. Working with yarn, naturecrafts, paper and glass are also included. What I like the best is seeing craft item after craft item with a Pagan theme. So often I look at craft books and have to stretch to see the projects as Pagan, and certainly when shopping (especially at the holidays) the "Paganest" things I can find are just nature-themed... it's just plain flat NICE to find over 200 projects which are specifically meant to support us on our paths.

09-03-2010, 09:08 AM	#7
waxnrope Timed Out How Do You Identify?: Permanently Banned 5/27/2011 Preferred Pronoun?: hy ho, hy ho; he, she, it, whatever Relationship Status: Going slow ... Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: in her orifices ... la frontera Posts: 1,433 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 6,414 Thanked 2,957 Times in 952 Posts Rep Power: 0	Hey Softness, I'm a Christian who believes that people have the right to believe in whatever they chose, or not. With the proviso that these beliefs, or non beliefs, do no harm to others. I also had been in a relationship with a non- practicing Jew, who was an atheist. I did/do not believe in prosecuting. However, her contempt for religion was such that it drove a wedge between us. I seldom discussed my pov, nor invited her to the church. She was capable of asking for what she wanted. I guess what I'm trying to say is that, first of all, it probably isn't our business what piles our friends step in, unless we are asked. Having said this, it FEELS like an unworkable situation. Believe it or not, there are Christians who support a woman's right to chose, and believe in same sex marriage, etc. Many of your friend's so called "secular" beliefs are core values, IMO, and seem so very incompatible with her new partner. I suppose one can give up that piece of herself, but ... Then again, as the old adage goes, "miracles do happen." Just an opinion.