On Maleness, MaleID/Trans Masculinity, Expectations and Being "Less of a Man"

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Originally Posted by apocalipstic

Well, I do personally know Men who knit, it is an art form...but, I don't personally know any Men who would play on a Women's basketball team.

I know Men who are submissive, but I don't know any who want to play Women's sports. Zero.

I know men who are dancers, who do all sorts of things one might narrowly see as "women" things....none of them would consider playing Women's sports.

However,

I can see where a young person who won a basketball scholarship as a Woman would want to finish his education and play basketball.

The having a baby thing? I am working on that one Jesse, I may well be at a sticking point on that. I can't imagine you (for example) wanting to have a baby...however, I do actually know Men who given the option would want to carry a baby...but, I don't think any of them would want to play women's basketball either.

So to me, they are different subjects.

I am glad to have these discussions, I am learning a lot.

ps. the sex? I have zero problem with.

I played on the boys lacrosse team in high school. There was a girls team. I chose to play with the boys and where I live - in our illusion of acceptance - they would never tell a girl they couldn't. (Girls have played on the boys HS football team here too.)

I chose to play on the boys team because it was more violent. The girls team didn't allow checking. There was boy on my team who HATED the violence, he was a good player though. The getting beat up thing on the field he didn't go for. He would cry after games and the coach would tell him to stop being a sissy. The other boys picked on him for it...I bet $100 that if he could have played on the girls team without getting his ass kicked for it that he would have liked too.

I went to meetings in the boys locker room just like everyone else. The coach would yell out "girl in the locker room" and they all knew that meant to cover themselves quick. The boys on the team never said anything about me being a girl on the team. They liked me. The coach liked me too because I was rough and played well. The other teams didn't get it and usually had some hot shit to say (only after the game when I took off my helmet and they figured out I was a girl) and we would all end up in fist fights.


With society the way it is - can we really know how many men would like to play on women's teams? We know that women would like to (and in some cases do) play on men's teams. I would personally like to play for the Yankee's. But I don't think we can know that unless it became socially acceptable for men to say so.