Male ID butch vs. FTM??

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by BullDog

Martina's quote- if someone is recognized as a man they are in a privileged position and when in interactions with women they need to be aware of that. That is what I have interpreted Martina's statements to mean.

I don't know what that has to do with the fact that many men's individual lives are challenging- which could be due to being trans, race, class, etc.

That is not to say I don't think transmen shouldn't talk about the challenges they face.

Transmen can get fired from a job if their trans status gets discovered. Butch women may not get the job to begin with because when we show up for the interview we are not what people are expecting a woman to be. A femme woman may be offered less money for a job than a man would. A black man may not get a job that a white transman would. We all have challenges and all of our privileges are situational.

I am white. I have white privilege. That doesn't mean my life has been a bed of roses or hasn't been impacted by the fact that I am a woman and a lesbian. However, I don't feel the need to qualify any of those things when white privilege is discussed.

Bully the part I highlighted. It isn't a pissing contest. Not all FTM look like men, not all Butches look like men. People get discriminated against for a myriad of reasons, some because of their looks some because of who they are. Point being we all have to fight against the inequities every single day in what ever body we as humans occupy.

[BullDog]

Originally Posted by Corkey

Bully the part I highlighted. It isn't a pissing contest. Not all FTM look like men, not all Butches look like men. People get discriminated against for a myriad of reasons, some because of their looks some because of who they are. Point being we all have to fight against the inequities every single day in what ever body we as humans occupy.

Yes, exactly Corkey. I agree.

[Thinker]

Originally Posted by nycfembbw

my belief that trans men/ FTMs/ men who join and participate on this site are already showing an identification with or sensitivity to feminist and queer issues

This is nice. I never really thought to put it that way. And I certainly like this particular perspective over "why would a (trans)man even come to this site".

Thanks.