Casey Anthony - guilty, or not?

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by nowandthen

But if that same child can play sports, those parent do not go to jail, please.... look up Jim Crow.

I was not in the jury , I respect what they did, what the eveidence and the law allowed. But this has racism all over it, the fact that we know the name of all the players, that the media coverage is sicking, yet young brown men are dying at alarming rates or are in jail, or pregnat women are handcuffed to the bed when giving birth in jail.

I did not watch any of it and yet I could not get away from it, why not do that with all the children killed reguardless of circumstance, just a thought.
These our post i made on FB
Again are the right questions being asked? How does any child end up dead at the hands of the folks who are supposed to love them. Why is it so hard for white folks to admit we as a collective are valued and benifit in all areas from a system aimed to do just that? I did not watch any of it, I am grateful I read non-normative media...
I am more sad at how this case was elevated over the hundreds of children killed everyday around the world. Yes i know this question is rhetorical I know why. Humans running to get in line made me sick, yes throughout history but I find this offensive, the spectacale seems hypocritical to find happiness or joy in any of it.

Don't you admonish ME about Jim Crow you don't know my background! You are bringing emotion to a fact based system.

[weatherboi]

it is pretty clear EVERYBODY posting in here is emotional. there are hundreds of poc and non poc that are found guilty with less circumstantial evidence than this woman. She got lucky with the 12 people. Corkey if you don't have anything nice to say to me in a rep then just keep it to yourself. I think you know better at this point. Please and thank you!!!

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by weatherboi

it is pretty clear EVERYBODY posting in here is emotional. there are hundreds of poc and non poc that are found guilty with less circumstantial evidence than this woman. She got lucky with the 12 people. Corkey if you don't have anything nice to say to me in a rep then just keep it to yourself. I think you know better at this point. Please and thank you!!!

I said in your opinion and I'll say it here, there was no un nice about it, A statement. Period. You are welcome.

[nowandthen]

Originally Posted by Corkey

Don't you admonish ME about Jim Crow you don't know my background! You are bringing emotion to a fact based system.

Jim Crow is Law not emotion! I am not invested in this case, I am invested in folks being informed, no I do not know you, nor you me, so we can call it even

[kannon]

Originally Posted by nowandthen

Jim Crow is Law not emotion! I am not invested in this case, I am invested in folks being informed, no I do not know you, nor you me, so we can call it even

What does Jim Crow laws have to do with this verdict? Jim Crow laws ended in the 50's or 60's. They were unjust and racist laws that tried to segregate POC. Definitely UNJUST and WRONG. But what does it have to do with this case?

The thread OP asked: Casey Anthony - guilty, or not?

[nowandthen]

Originally Posted by kannon

What does Jim Crow laws have to do with this verdict? Jim Crow laws ended in the 50's or 60's. They were unjust and racist laws that tried to segregate POC. Definitely UNJUST and WRONG. But what does it have to do with this case?

The thread OP asked: Casey Anthony - guilty, or not?

If you think Jim Crow is over then I suggest reading the book, The New Jim Crow, by Michelle Alexandar. It has everything to do with this case. Race and Class impact every legal case in America. We have a prision for profit society that is fed by the imbalance in the justics system. When you can get life for crack and time served for powder cocaine as an example or the statistacs that show the how many POC are some how under police survelance, jail, probation, youth authority, house arrest, etc. there is no question that we have a new perment class of people who can not particapate, can not get student loans, food stamps, welfare or work because you must check the box that states " have you ever been convicted of a felony" you are marginalized.
The relation to this case is the media coverage, and the perception of the accussed. I have no doubt in my mind that is the accused was a women of color the case would not have been a national news story and guilty would have been the outcome. RACE MATTERS as Dr. West states.

[kannon]

Originally Posted by nowandthen

If you think Jim Crow is over then I suggest reading the book, The New Jim Crow, by Michelle Alexandar. It has everything to do with this case. Race and Class impact every legal case in America. We have a prision for profit society that is fed by the imbalance in the justics system. When you can get life for crack and time served for powder cocaine as an example or the statistacs that show the how many POC are some how under police survelance, jail, probation, youth authority, house arrest, etc. there is no question that we have a new perment class of people who can not particapate, can not get student loans, food stamps, welfare or work because you must check the box that states " have you ever been convicted of a felony" you are marginalized.
The relation to this case is the media coverage, and the perception of the accussed. I have no doubt in my mind that is the accused was a women of color the case would not have been a national news story and guilty would have been the outcome. RACE MATTERS as Dr. West states.

I agree with you 100% but I think the real victim in this case is the child.

[FlowerFem]

It's hard to imagine a MOTHER could either kill their own baby, or have a hand in it. I don't know how you could live with yourself afterwards . How could you justify that to yourself ? How could your heart be so cold ? I suppose blaming someone else, or something else, seems to be what she attempted to do. What a dark, lost soul, she must be. Very sad.

[Apocalipstic]

It is hearbreaking when a child is killed, no matter how it happened.

I agree that people spend more time in jail for small amounts of weed, than apparentlyr tampering with a dead body, staging a crime scene and lying to police...and the people likely to spend that time are seldom white.

Our justice system is incredibly flawed.

I also agree that the missing children the media grasps on to seem to always be white from at least Middle Class, female and really cute. How sad for all the other thousands of children missing right now.

Did she do it? If I were forced to guess I would go with yes, but there was not enough direct evidence to convict. But just a guess.

[Peach]

this is something difficult to keep emotion OUT of. Yes, 12 people had access to evidence, but that whole trial was on tv almost 24/7, so outside of photgraphs that werent shown on tv, I think the public got most of the same info, but I could be wrong.
MY emotions now are saved for that child who never stood a chance, and for any child she may have in the future, who could be in the same danger. I hesitate to say I hope Casey learns from this, and turns her life around, but *I* feel she is a narcisist and incapable of concern for anyone except her own self, and will not learn a thing.


If she walks free Tursday, which is a huge possiblility, where will she go I wonder? Would her parents allow her bak in their home? Would any of you, if this were your daughter? I dont know if I could or not, after all the lies, and her trying to lay the blame on me, accusations of molestation etc......

[Dante]

Originally Posted by Peach

this is something difficult to keep emotion OUT of. Yes, 12 people had access to evidence, but that whole trial was on tv almost 24/7, so outside of photgraphs that werent shown on tv, I think the public got most of the same info, but I could be wrong.
MY emotions now are saved for that child who never stood a chance, and for any child she may have in the future, who could be in the same danger. I hesitate to say I hope Casey learns from this, and turns her life around, but *I* feel she is a narcisist and incapable of concern for anyone except her own self, and will not learn a thing.


If she walks free Tursday, which is a huge possiblility, where will she go I wonder? Would her parents allow her bak in their home? Would any of you, if this were your daughter? I dont know if I could or not, after all the lies, and her trying to lay the blame on me, accusations of molestation etc......

Peach, I believe this to be true. I believe that she WILL offend again. People like this, cannot control things like anger, they act on impulse and then usually act with violence, and then it is too late.
Regarding emotion. 1990, I was on a jury for 2 men being tried together, first degree murder, with possibly of the death penalty. I watched this entire case. I never want to be on a jury again. It is emotionally draining when you have to decide the fate for another human being. I believe this jury DID use their emotions and thereby, not follow the law! Several of my fellow jurors were affected by the so called Stockholm Syndrone, and because of the length of the trial and feeling or emotions for the defendant can develop. However, we were very conscious of our duties and felt we HAD to follow the law in that you are not to use your emotions or feelings for any and all parties involved. In my opinion, this jury took the easy way out. And they felt for poor little Casey. This makes me sick! Even the defense attorney in his closing put the dead body of little Caylee in HER trunk!!! WTF...It sucks that the jury wasn't allowed to see more evidence about Casey's priors and her behavior. I sincerely believe that we have not heard the last of Casey! She will become desperate again. Who is going to hire her? Doubt she will go live with the parents again.

[Medusa]

Gotta say that the defense was pretty genius with staging her as a tiny little thing. The pink shirts and ruffles? The ponytails? Lowering her chair almost all the way to the floor?

Psychological genius.

[Andrew, Jr.]

31 days this 2 yo little girl is missing...and her mother is out partying. I agree with George Anthony stating today that it was a "baseless defense". I am sure Judge Belvin Perry is also shocked. For me, it is the same as the OJ Simpson trial. God help us all.

[NJFemmie]

Originally Posted by Peach

this is something difficult to keep emotion OUT of. Yes, 12 people had access to evidence, but that whole trial was on tv almost 24/7, so outside of photgraphs that werent shown on tv, I think the public got most of the same info, but I could be wrong.

Fact is, there was a lot of court room activity that the jury did not see and we were privy to it because of live feeds - discussions and arguments (what-have-you) that could have been crucial in the jury's decision making. How that happens is beyond me.

[Kobi]

Now that the jury is free to speak if they choose too, it will be interesting to hear them explain why they saw this the way they did.

It is disconcerting to see so many people judging them, accusing them, second guessing them without waiting to hear their side of the story. They were there, we werent.

They werent bombarded with the conjecture of every lawyer the media could find, the thoughts of all these legal pundits, the thoughts of anyone who wished to venture an opinion. They just had the facts presented in the court.

But somehow us armchair jurors know better? We somehow know the truth? We somehow are endowed with special powers to know what happened and who was responsible? And we know this beyond a shadow of a doubt?

I understand the anger at a perceived injustice. I understand wanting justice for this innocent child. I understand the many ways in which disappointment can be expressed. I'm also kind of familiar with that can occur after a case like this.

Justice isnt perfect. People arent perfect. Prosecutors make mistakes. Defense attorneys get lucky. It's life. It sucks. But its reality.

Emotions, running amok, in the name of justice leads to things like death threats, assaults, lynchings, war, and other vigilante actions.

Sometimes, taking a step back, and a deep breath leads to a cooler head, calmer emotions, and more rational thought.

Less drama, more thought....what a novel idea.

[The_Lady_Snow]

I'm perfectly ok shedding a tear and mourning the death of an innocent child, and glad we can all come in here together and do so if we wish without fingerwagging.

[Corkey]

And while I have respect for the law, I do mourn the loss of a truly innocent child.

[princessbelle]

Kobi,


With all due respect....

I don't believe people posting here that we feel that a murderer was set free by a "not guilty" verdict is equating in any way to death threats or lynching.

The jury made their decision based on what the law instructed. We all know this. Doesn't explain the why, just the how.

Some of us are upset due to the idea that a woman who killed her child is going to walk. Justifiably so.

Talking about this issues is healthy IMO. Communication with others, and not a singular thought of sadness held within, is how some of us deal with the dissatisfaction of our justice system which failed miserably IMO today.

Nothing unhealthy about discussion.

[Kobi]

Originally Posted by princessbelle

Kobi,


With all due respect....

I don't believe people posting here that we feel that a murderer was set free by a "not guilty" verdict is equating in any way to death threats or lynching.

The jury made their decision based on what the law instructed. We all know this. Doesn't explain the why, just the how.

Some of us are upset due to the idea that a woman who killed her child is going to walk. Justifiably so.

Talking about this issues is healthy IMO. Communication with others, and not a singular thought of sadness held within, is how some of us deal with the dissatisfaction of our justice system which failed miserably IMO today.

Nothing unhealthy about discussion.

princessbelle,

With all due respect, the woman was tried and found not guilty.

Even saying in your opinion that a "murderer was set free" is not healthy discourse. She was not proven to be a murderer. Saying she is one is deliberately inflammatory and drama provoking.

I have seen this dynamic run amok before under the guise of healthy discourse. I saw it when Michael Vick returned to the NFL and was praised by the President. Suddenly a man who was tried, convicted, and served his time needed to be raked over the coals in a very unnice way cuz people were disappointed with Obama's words on Vick.

I saw it with the "victims of the Superbowl". I saw it with bullying, saw it in "a site unexamined".

Ya'll have a thing for drama and anger. That isnt healthy discourse. Thats just drama and rage.

But we can agree to disagree.