Small Plane Crashes in Austin Tx

[Sachita]

As it has been with most of my life I sit on a fence with this. I'm between liberal hippy and conservative bitch most likely caught in a bureaucratic trap most of us are in. Sheeple (is that right?) is exactly what we are.

Our government is the worse terrorist of all. Our entire civilization has been erected from slaughtering and abusing natives and other people in the name of some fucked up system that's soul agenda is to control us. We can celebrate a fucked up LIE called history and support a system that has literally abused us but damn the one individual that reacts.

I don't agree with any act of violence but I can damn sure see why he did what he did. The thought, I am sure has crossed many a mind. He was just willing to trade his life for it. Not something many of us would consider. No, I don't think he was a coward. I think he snapped and just had enough.

[~Bo]

Originally Posted by Sachita

As it has been with most of my life I sit on a fence with this. I'm between liberal hippy and conservative bitch most likely caught in a bureaucratic trap most of us are in. Sheeple (is that right?) is exactly what we are.

Our government is the worse terrorist of all. Our entire civilization has been erected from slaughtering and abusing natives and other people in the name of some fucked up system that's soul agenda is to control us. We can celebrate a fucked up LIE called history and support a system that has literally abused us but damn the one individual that reacts.

I don't agree with any act of violence but I can damn sure see why he did what he did. The thought, I am sure has crossed many a mind. He was just willing to trade his life for it. Not something many of us would consider. No, I don't think he was a coward. I think he snapped and just had enough.

I think he was willing to trade ALOT of people's lives for it. Do you seriously believe he thought he'd be the only one to die??? You gotta be kidding me.
That whole fucking building could've exploded.

I truly can not fathom you people and your rationale.

*shakes head*

[Sachita]

Originally Posted by ~Bo

I think he was willing to trade ALOT of people's lives for it. Do you seriously believe he thought he'd be the only one to die??? You gotta be kidding me.
That whole fucking building could've exploded.

I truly can not fathom you people and your rationale.

*shakes head*

no, not kidding you. I think that he snapped but even in crazy ass mode he took a calculated risk even though he knew his own life would end. I don't see this man as being hap-hearted but one that gave it a lot of thought and fueled with that passionate insanity made an extreme statement. One which I feel would have easily been any of us caught in that moment.

For the record I do not condone his actions but the last thing I'd ever call him is a coward.

he had nothing to lose. He burned his house not to hurt his family but that they would have taken it anyhow. Can't you see this? He might have done a terrible deed in the macro cosmic scope of things but in his microcosmic world he acted with passion and a great statement.

when our government make a choice for the good of all they don't consider the tripling effect it will have on the masses. They will defend their agenda even if it means killing innocent lives. This is proven through history. Women, children, whoever is in it's course is victim to that greater cause. I think it's bullshit but at the same time I sit back and wonder what would happen if they didnt? It it an acceptable action and we accept it in the name that is all free... such fucking BS. If you can but that program then why not but this one?

I think it's a double agenda but as sheeple you'd never see that because as humans we are condition to acception, play into the system and punish ourselves for thinking differently.

Fuck that nonsense.

[Sachita]

and further fucking more...

think about why you feel this way. Do you sit back and think about the countless women and children killed in Vietnam? On the news we hear about Afghanistan and all of our soldiers killed but do we think about the obstruction we have created? hell fucking no.

Blind your eyes. Take a pathetic stance to this agenda where a man just simply had enough and took singular action. I suppose it would have been different if he had an army, that we all paid for out of our blood, sweat and fucking tears.... then he'd be a fucking hero.

Think about your compassion and where you place your morals. Life is a bitch and every corner you turn there is someone's agenda ready to stand up and challenge you. Think about whats really important to you. Sometimes the most devastating acts, the most painful brings about the most change. Although I don't agree with his actions I do know, from the bottom of my heart, that this will create consciousness, good, bad or indifferent, but the end result will be people looking at this and thinking "holy fuck, why are we putting up with this shit." meanwhile the cheerleaders are shouthing, "We're not going to take this shit NO FUCKING MORE!"

now put that shit in your pipe and smoke it... lol, wait, they made that illegal. So lets just booze ourselves to death and pay the tax to the government.

[~Bo]

Ok.....so then tell me what good did it do. Does it solve the problems you're talking about? No. Didn't do a damn thing but take innocent lives.

And talking about the wars is a whole other issue. This is about some ass flying a plane into a building. Period. And that's all I am concerned with. You can come up with all the excuses you want to. What he did was chicken shit and cowardice.

Why didn't he just face life like a man. What he did proves nothing and solves nothing.

[Sachita]

Originally Posted by ~Bo

Ok.....so then tell me what good did it do. Does it solve the problems you're talking about? No. Didn't do a damn thing but take innocent lives.

And talking about the wars is a whole other issue. This is about some ass flying a plane into a building. Period. And that's all I am concerned with. You can come up with all the excuses you want to. What he did was chicken shit and cowardice.

Why didn't he just face life like a man. What he did proves nothing and solves nothing.

period is operative in a manner of opinion and obviously , , each person has one, even you. Aside from the prevalent bullshit herein, the facts all remain, the debate, as always diversified and the only thing we all agree on is that it was not cool, what he did, BUT he did it. The differences are that some call him a coward and others have various agendas or words for a man that took such action. I'm on the fence but leaning in his favor, not because what I think he was right BUT that he actually fucking did it. I am the the fuckimg coward because I'd never have the fucking guts to commit sucks an act.

those are my words and I'm sticking to it!

[SuperFemme]

That we can call her for help. She could've gotten him down to a few bucks. Geeze.

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[Kimbo]

Originally Posted by Sachita

period is operative in a manner of opinion and obviously , , each person has one, even you. Aside from the prevalent bullshit herein, the facts all remain, the debate, as always diversified and the only thing we all agree on is that it was not cool, what he did, BUT he did it. The differences are that some call him a coward and others have various agendas or words for a man that took such action. I'm on the fence but leaning in his favor, not because what I think he was right BUT that he actually fucking did it. I am the the fuckimg coward because I'd never have the fucking guts to commit sucks an act.

those are my words and I'm sticking to it!

I am really struggling understanding your words here, I'd like to discuss this with you if I may. To me is sounds like what you are saying is that if you have uncontrollable anger over <insert cause here> that it is okay to release that anger with violence on innocent people.

When I hear this I think of Columbine, suicide bombers (9/11), Timothy McVeigh, and 4 police officers here in the PNW having morning coffee who were gunned down by an angry criminal. Isn't some of the psychology of of these murders is that they become hero's because of their actions. Are you saying that it wasn't right that these people committed heinous crimes, but that they are somehow to be respected because they "actually did it?" Isn't that idolizing them? Is that really what he deserves?

[Hudson]

Originally Posted by Sachita

period is operative in a manner of opinion and obviously , , each person has one, even you. Aside from the prevalent bullshit herein, the facts all remain, the debate, as always diversified and the only thing we all agree on is that it was not cool, what he did, BUT he did it. The differences are that some call him a coward and others have various agendas or words for a man that took such action. I'm on the fence but leaning in his favor, not because what I think he was right BUT that he actually fucking did it. I am the the fuckimg coward because I'd never have the fucking guts to commit sucks an act.

those are my words and I'm sticking to it!

This might be the most illogical, misguided and scariest thing I've ever read (from an adult).

Back to the story: Why didn't he fly that plane over the IRS building and into Mama Mexico, obtain a second passport from his new country before his U.S. one expired (to avoid having to provide his social security number when renewing his passport, thus avoiding cross-checks with tax returns), grab a bottle of tequila and call it a day?

[AtLast]

From reports that I have seen/read concerning this man's family and what they are going through, I can see no way in which his acts helped them in anyway. In fact, his actions (partly stated within his delusional thinking), has rendered them targets for shame, criticism, further investgation, fear, loss, and plain social ostricism far more cruel than what they endured prior to these acts. I don't buy that this had any semblence love of one's family or that his actions were not selfish (even though, I do not view him as a rational, sane person).

This man's sense of entitlement goes beyond outrageous!

Further, although he was having financial problems (who the hell isn't these days?), the fact that he had a home and a plane (ummmm.... not exactly coming from a place of poverty) is not lost on the fact that if one wants to get back on track financially, we usually cut back and develop a plan to get back on our feet. He was the one that didn't file an income tax return. And many people don't, but they don't fly planes into buildings. Also, there are several programs in which people can file returns and work out tax debt under (although, I don't think this is the whole story about this situation).

For me, there is no justification for wiping out a building, and killing and injuring people that happen to work for an institution one hates. Hey, I have some not so great feelings about governmental insitutions, and acts by our government, but I am not going to blow-up buildings and people.

I also don't buy that we are so damn helpless with effecting change in our government and laws.