In Celebration of Butch Femininity

[tapu]

Originally Posted by *Anya*

Kernerman English Learner's Dictionary

lesbian(noun)ˈlɛz bi ən
a woman who is sexually attracted to other women

Wiktionary

lesbian(Noun)
A homosexual female, a female who is sexually or romantically attracted to other females.
lesbian(Adjective)
Homosexual; preferring female romantic or sexual partners.

For everyone.

tapu's dictionary:

Got a pussy? Like pussy exclusively? Yer a lesbian.

[Martina]

Originally Posted by tapu

tapu's dictionary:

Got a pussy? Like pussy exclusively? Yer a lesbian.

Really? So are you the one saying stone femmes are not lesbians? What was the point of this?

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by Martina

Really? So are you the one saying stone femmes are not lesbians? What was the point of this?

Yanno, had a male id'd person said something of this sort regarding say cock, equating xyz there would of been a shit storm in here, that's just down right ugly, ugly and erasing!

[tapu]

Originally Posted by Martina

Really? So are you the one saying stone femmes are not lesbians? What was the point of this?

That definition doesn't disinclude stone femmes.

As for my point: that's pretty much the definition of lesbian in a practical sense. Some may wish to push certain parameters in certain ways, but that's how language works anyway. The situation I observe here in talking about anything like this is things deteriorate into fine-line arguments about essence: is or isn't. What if we use the general terms most use in practice and recognize that variation is inevitable and acceptable. Then we can mildly ask for clarification or define a real issue without what feels like policing going on.

[BullDog]

Like pussy exclusively, huh? There is a more to having sex with a woman than that no matter how you id. Also, I am a lesbian stone butch, so mine is not involved. But yes I am a lesbian.

[tapu]

Originally Posted by BullDog

Like pussy exclusively, huh? There is a more to having sex with a woman than that no matter how you id. Also, I am a lesbian stone butch, so mine is not involved. But yes I am a lesbian.

I wasn't defining how to have sex with a woman. And, stone whatever does not negate the base definition. It's a variation on it.

[Julie]

Tapu to the rescue.
Got a pussy? Like pussy exclusively? Yer a lesbian.
And there you have. You are not a Lesbian if you do not indulge in the mighty pussy.

As far as the thanking of posts. I wrote about this in the other thread. I might not agree with what the poster is saying, but often - I will thank them for their participation.

And yes, I am rather Ranty (love the descriptor of me) I think it fits rather well.

I wonder how it would go down if a butch posted a similar thread in the femme zone and it was then populated mainly by butches?

Just askin' yanno?

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by Julie

Tapu to the rescue.
Got a pussy? Like pussy exclusively? Yer a lesbian.
And there you have. You are not a Lesbian if you do not indulge in the mighty pussy.

As far as the thanking of posts. I wrote about this in the other thread. I might not agree with what the poster is saying, but often - I will thank them for their participation.

And yes, I am rather Ranty (love the descriptor of me) I think it fits rather well.

Sadly that depends Julie, cause I LOVE PUSSY, I do, I love cunts, vaginas, labias, panochas, pootnanie, so on and so on.

But, I have been told I can not be lesbian, so I guess it all depends who is going to police lesbian that day.

I have another question about this fucking shit, what happens to the Trans Women who can't afford bottom surgery and are in this very community, are the not lesbians? Cause I believe they are 100% my lesbian, Femme comrades. STOP ERASING THEM

That is one big problem that needs to be solved I believe, or not either way


I LOVE PUSSY I eat it like a Lion.

[Julie]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Sadly that depends Julie, cause I LOVE PUSSY, I do, I love cunts, vaginas, labias, panochas, pootnanie, so on and so on.

But, I have been told I can not be lesbian, so I guess it all depends who is going to police lesbian that day.

I have another question about this fucking shit, what happens to the Trans Women who can't afford bottom surgery and are in this very community, are the not lesbians? Cause I believe they are 100% my lesbian, Femme comrades. STOP ERASING THEM

That is one big problem that needs to be solved I believe, or not either way


I LOVE PUSSY I eat it like a Lion.

Ya know Snow... My partner does not like hys pussy ventured upon. I am okay with saying such, as hy has openly discussed this in the Stone Butch thread. I spent years loving the pussy - devouring it as it should be... But now, my pussy days are over.

I love MY PUSSY! Oh yes I do. Therefore, I am.

MTF's are still not allowed or welcomed at Michigan Womyn's FEST. They will never (this place) get my patronage.

And you are not considered a Lesbian (let us not forget) because you are lovin/fuckin on a trans guy. <shrugs> Oh the rules that have been bestowed upon us.

[fatallyblonde]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

I have another question about this fucking shit, what happens to the Trans Women who can't afford bottom surgery and are in this very community, are the not lesbians? Cause I believe they are 100% my lesbian, Femme comrades. STOP ERASING THEM

^^^^^^^ THIS.

There is so much shit in this thread I don't even know where to begin. But it sure has got my eyebrows raised very high in disbelief. But I can't be fucked arguing ("loving" all the misogyny directed at us "bitchy oppressive femmes" though! And women id butches - but the poor trans men and genderqueers NEVER judge, poor victims of mean wimminz bitchiness boo hoo hoo - SPARE ME). What Snow says above is the most important, crucial, critical factor for me. TRANS WOMEN BELONG IN OUR COMMUNITY, THEY BELONG IN WOMEN'S SPACES AND IF LESBIAN ID IN LESBIAN SPACE NO MATTER WHAT THEIR JUNK LOOKS LIKE.
This equating of womanhood and lesbianism with vagina HAS TO STOP.

I told myself I wasn't going to participate here at all - the amount of misogyny going on is staggering - but I will always come out to bat for trans women. If my tone is contentious, well. I am really, really angry right now. But I try as much as I can not to internet brawl these days. Thats all I have to say. Any community that excludes trans women is a fucked, broken community.

(and? it is REALLY dehumanising to refer to trans women as "MTFs" for goddsakes. Is it so hard to type out trans women??)

[Candelion]

This isn't much of a celebration of butch femininity. BUTCHES ROCK!!!

[Martina]

Originally Posted by Candelion

This isn't much of a celebration of butch femitninity. BUTCHES ROCK!!!

Well, serious threads on similar topics seem to veer into whatever is the site preoccupation or issue of the day. It's inevitable. Some folks try to move them back toward the original intent, but it tends to just kill the thread. Eventually this will die down, and the thread will return to its original purpose.

The idea of butch femininity was bound to bring up a lot, in any case. Yes, there are lots of other gender politics being discussed. From my point of view, so be it.

I dislike it when people get whiplash because someone wants to put the breaks on a conversation for basically formal reasons -- it's not the original topic, for example. If it gets out of hand -- offending and hurting -- then, by all means, stop it. Otherwise, I say, let things go where they go. My opinion.

And the conversation straying a bit does not imply anyone does not think butches rock, if that was part of what you meant.

[tapu]

Cue intellectual reverse snobbery. Do I have a GPS tracker on me? <lifts shoes to look under>

[Martina]

Originally Posted by tapu

Cue intellectual reverse snobbery. Do I have a GPS tracker on me? <lifts shoes to look under>

I fear that if we knew what you were actually saying half the time, your posts would be even MORE offensive.

[tapu]

Originally Posted by Martina

I fear that if we knew what you were actually saying half the time, your posts would be even MORE offensive.

And I fear that no matter what I could ever say, you'd find yourself offended.

Cheers~

[dykeumentary]

I'm sitting in the waiting room of an OB/GYN clinic, where I am getting treatment for an ongoing medical situation. I am feeling very unwelcome, because the people here think they know something about me because of how I look and how i am behaving.

I thought I'd read some threads on this site to not feel so alone in this super-heteronormative and gender-normative waiting room.

So I just wanted to add a friendly reminder that the people who post on this site are our allies, some better, some less better. But we are not the problem.

Originally Posted by tapu

tapu's dictionary:

Got a pussy? Like pussy exclusively? Yer a lesbian.

Not true akshually!

[BullDog]

Well okay Tapu, your definition doesn't work for me. It feels quite narrow and I don't like people being reduced to body parts- or one body part.

[tapu]

Originally Posted by BullDog

Well okay Tapu, your definition doesn't work for me. It feels quite narrow and I don't like people being reduced to body parts- or one body part.

Yes, I understand your objections. How would you phrase a bare-bones, dictionary definition of a lesbian? (That was all I was trying to get at. There are differences and nuances I recognize, outside life in a dictionary.)

Thank you for your direct, and respectful, response, btw. That was great.