"Stud" versus "Butch" - Page 2

Girl_On_Fire · 11-03-2012, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Corkey

How about instead of getting defensive, admit the foul, and one take a look through the Forums, there is a plethora of information in the Butch Zone. That way no one gets their nose bent outta shape. This way you get some info under your belt, and don't have to apologize your way out of a sticky situation. Still a suggestion.

Corkey,

I have absolutely no idea what you're so upset about. I'm not being defensive at all. I'm explaining why I decided to start this as a thread instead of just looking it up. I'm not bent out of shape either. I'm just genuinely confused by your response.

(I didn't mean to 'thank' your response. Slipped finger.)

I'm lost.

Corkey · 11-03-2012, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Girl_On_Fire

Corkey,

I have absolutely no idea what you're so upset about. I'm not being defensive at all. I'm explaining why I decided to start this as a thread instead of just looking it up. I'm not bent out of shape either. I'm just genuinely confused by your response.

(I didn't mean to 'thank' your response. Slipped finger.)

I'm lost.

LOL Soooo not upset, thought I'd save you some embarrassment. I'm done. Perhaps you need to think about you're seeming cluelessness about peoples gender expressions to get it. Bye bye.

macele · 11-03-2012, 07:36 PM

forget it. it's saturday night.

QueenofSmirks · 11-03-2012, 07:39 PM

Seriously? Everyone needs to take a deep breath. The OP even stated that the term is disturbing to her because she has heard it used in stock breeding. For those of you who don't know what that is, it's a term used on farms and ranches and other places on the planet for breeding animals. She did NOT equate animals to butches, so get over it already.

QueenofSmirks · 11-03-2012, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Girl_On_Fire

I wasn't saying that I saw people who identified as "studs" as animals. I was saying that's the only way I'd ever heard that term used before until very recently. I thought it would start an interesting discussion, which is why I didn't just "Google" it just for my own knowledge.

I meant no offense to anyone.

I think it's perfectly fine that you asked the question and nowhere did I see you equate the term used for butches as animals. I understood that you have heard the term used to represent "animal husbandry" as it is termed, essentially, "breeding". I know you tried to be light about it, and that's how I took it. If you can't ask these questions here, then you can't ask them anywhere. These forums are supposed to be supportive, so I hope you feel that your question received adequate and sincere attention. I saw some others answered essentially what I would have answered... it's more of a "culture" thing than an age or geographical thing. Terms have and will continue to be introduced to our community and evolve over time.

Girl_On_Fire · 11-03-2012, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by QueenofSmirks

I think it's perfectly fine that you asked the question and nowhere did I see you equate the term used for butches as animals. I understood that you have heard the term used to represent "animal husbandry" as it is termed, essentially, "breeding". I know you tried to be light about it, and that's how I took it. If you can't ask these questions here, then you can't ask them anywhere. These forums are supposed to be supportive, so I hope you feel that your question received adequate and sincere attention. I saw some others answered essentially what I would have answered... it's more of a "culture" thing than an age or geographical thing. Terms have and will continue to be introduced to our community and evolve over time.

Yes, that is exactly what I meant. Thank you for the explanation and the support.

BstlMyhart · 11-03-2012, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Girl_On_Fire

I wasn't saying that I saw people who identified as "studs" as animals. I was saying that's the only way I'd ever heard that term used before until very recently. I thought it would start an interesting discussion, which is why I didn't just "Google" it just for my own knowledge.

I meant no offense to anyone.

You really aren't being offensive. Ask anything you like anytime...this IS what we are here for...support.

girl_dee · 11-03-2012, 08:25 PM

i agree!

we were all new once and not familiar with terms and language. We all had to learn from others since there is no manual (or is there?).

i still stumble and i been around a long damn time.

i will always enjoy conversations that are brought forth from a place of honesty and sincerity, which i found she is. She seems willing to accept that even unintentional words can offend, and we must be careful of that.

i'm looking forward to more on this subject !

Martina · 11-03-2012, 08:41 PM

Two points

One, it is always good to be careful when asking about ID's. Perhaps more careful than the OP was.

Two, I am thankful we didn't dogpile the OP. I just am.

Gemme · 11-03-2012, 08:53 PM

Most of my thoughts have pretty much been covered, but to touch on a point Girl_on_Fire referenced in her OP, I have noticed that some of the younger generation of our community is using that term, and not related to the African American cultural connection.

I think it's interesting that the term is being adopted by a group that it may not normally have been associated with but I feel a tiny bit of hesitancy in that the original cultural connection may be lost along the way.

Scottish MacDaddy · 11-04-2012, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Girl_On_Fire

Hello,

Curious femme here. Lately, I've noticed on certain lesbian websites butches are referred to as "studs". This seems to be a generational thing with younger butches especially using the term. I find if off-putting because to me the term "stud" implies some type of breeding stock.

Thoughts on this?

Hi Girl,

Stud can also be defined as the structural part of a wall that eventually holds up the house itself...And isn't that what being butch is about? Strength, tenacity of will and structure....all a part of the foundation of life.

So, next time you hear stud and it offends you to think of it in "breeding stock" terms....think of it in this way...

there are always two sides to every story....just how you look at it that makes the world of difference.

MacDaddy

Daywalker · 11-03-2012, 06:43 PM

Stud, Macha and Aggressive are just a couple of Identities that have
evolved over the last decade or so within the history of those
Identifying masculine, they do not replace Butch as an
Identity nor do these terms dictate pronouns.
Or sexual preference.

Self Identity is an empowering experience, and being able to express
that with a term that feels right is awesome. Butch is not a one
term fits all, especially in a Community that is becoming
more beautifully diverse every day.

11-03-2012, 07:39 PM	#4
QueenofSmirks Member How Do You Identify?: Just Me Preferred Pronoun?: she/her Relationship Status: Busy Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Phoenix - Valley of the Sun Posts: 1,429 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 1,010 Thanked 2,916 Times in 880 Posts Rep Power: 21474853	Seriously? Everyone needs to take a deep breath. The OP even stated that the term is disturbing to her because she has heard it used in stock breeding. For those of you who don't know what that is, it's a term used on farms and ranches and other places on the planet for breeding animals. She did NOT equate animals to butches, so get over it already. __________________ Stephanie "There is only one success - to be able to spend your life in your own way." Christopher Morley

11-03-2012, 08:53 PM	#10
Gemme Practically Lives Here How Do You Identify?: Queer Stone Femme Girl of the Unicorn Variety Preferred Pronoun?: She, as in 'She's a GEM' Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: The roads are narrow here Posts: 36,631 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 182,498 Thanked 107,973 Times in 25,664 Posts Rep Power: 21474888	Most of my thoughts have pretty much been covered, but to touch on a point Girl_on_Fire referenced in her OP, I have noticed that some of the younger generation of our community is using that term, and not related to the African American cultural connection. I think it's interesting that the term is being adopted by a group that it may not normally have been associated with but I feel a tiny bit of hesitancy in that the original cultural connection may be lost along the way. __________________ Gemme's Journal I'm misunderestimated.

11-03-2012, 06:43 PM	#12
Daywalker Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Hippy Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: * Posts: 3,750 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 6,499 Thanked 11,916 Times in 2,700 Posts Rep Power: 21474855	Stud, Macha and Aggressive are just a couple of Identities that have evolved over the last decade or so within the history of those Identifying masculine, they do not replace Butch as an Identity nor do these terms dictate pronouns. Or sexual preference. Self Identity is an empowering experience, and being able to express that with a term that feels right is awesome. Butch is not a one term fits all, especially in a Community that is becoming more beautifully diverse every day. __________________ www.SirDaywalker.com

11-03-2012, 07:36 PM	#3
macele Member How Do You Identify?: a bold-assed maximus Preferred Pronoun?: she Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: mississippi Posts: 1,066 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 3,178 Thanked 3,231 Times in 847 Posts Rep Power: 21474850	forget it. it's saturday night.

11-03-2012, 08:25 PM	#8
girl_dee Practically Lives Here How Do You Identify?: Femme Preferred Pronoun?: dee Relationship Status: Hitched up Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Livin’ the Dream Posts: 24,079 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 30,560 Thanked 54,833 Times in 13,908 Posts Rep Power: 21474873	i agree! we were all new once and not familiar with terms and language. We all had to learn from others since there is no manual (or is there?). i still stumble and i been around a long damn time. i will always enjoy conversations that are brought forth from a place of honesty and sincerity, which i found she is. She seems willing to accept that even unintentional words can offend, and we must be careful of that. i'm looking forward to more on this subject !

11-03-2012, 08:41 PM	#9
Martina Senior Member How Do You Identify?: * Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: * Posts: 4,999 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 13,409 Thanked 18,286 Times in 4,167 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	Two points One, it is always good to be careful when asking about ID's. Perhaps more careful than the OP was. Two, I am thankful we didn't dogpile the OP. I just am.