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[foxyshaman]

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I NEVER believed in curses. I thought they were poppycock!! And then I kept running into them over and over again when I did soul retrieval work. Lucky for me I had spirits who were more than willing to help me to remove them.

When I taught this class in 06 I did it completely differently than I do now. I have been able to shorten the process just so that I could teach others how to do it and what impact it could have on their patients.

I offered myself as the guinea pig for the class in Feb. So I had 15 of the 20 participants remove curses. I am going to bore you with the details so grab your now. I wore all black and took a 30 ft white nylon rope and had one of the students tie me in it. The reason was to have something 'tangible' to follow. Well all I can say was what a totally humbling exprience that was. People who did not know me came back telling me stories of ancestors being cursed for killing in a battle, & love gone awry, & abandonment and the list goes on. They were so accurate. Each person also had to tell me, if they could, what I could do with the rope to be a physical manifestation of the curse being removed. Well I had a number of suggestions. It was endlessly fascinating how many people came back with the same imagery... desert, black caves, lonely landscape... to name a few. Some of the curses were the same, or had the same underlying cause. It was interesting. And much of it completely related to long standing personal issues that are private.

That night I went home and bathed and felt like - picture this - two chicken breasts four inches apart with string criss crossing to tie them together. That is what I felt like energetically. And I was not able to burn the rope for two weeks (the joys of being balls to the wall busy) but I felt all that time like I was wading through really heavy water. I was abnormally tired, sore and unable to wake. During the release ceremony the bag with the rope, which should have burnt like <snap fingers> didn't. It took on faces and fangs and a couple of other "looks". It took over 1/2 hour for the bag to even begin to burn. Then only a small hole burnt, then the inside burnt, the packing paper never really caught fire it just changed in darkness & layers. Anyway... about 3/4 of the way through I felt this enormous weight lift off my body. Duh... and feel SO MUCH BETTER.

The difference is remarkable. Will I change, well I think I will if I continually work on it. Do I think it helped, yes but in subtle ways and is still working. Would I ever let 15 ppl take curses off me at once... can I get a HELL NO. The energy work and removal was intense. Aside from the symptoms above I had a temper like crazy, and I don't really have one. I was a freaking basket case a couple of days there. Very unusual mental patterns. Since the release.... peace... more peace than I have had in a very long time.

I taught the class again last weekend and did not offer myself up. But changed how things were done. I have not heard back from the students to see if they are changed, but I know if it worked for me, I am sure it will work for others.

I am teaching a level 2 class in May combining curse removal and power retrieval and will touch on soul retrieval as well. Should be intense. I am gonna work em hard

Anyway, there is my tome.

Curses, never believed in them.

But google the word Defixiones, it may give you some interesting food for thought.

[Andrew, Jr.]

Foxyshaman,

Do you sage your home? What do you find/feel afterwards?

Thank you for your many posts. I sure do enjoy them.

Peace,
Andrew

[Bit]

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Foxy}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

I cannot believe how jealous I am of your students. *sigh*

But hey *perks up* at least we get to talk here!

Originally Posted by foxyshaman

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I NEVER believed in curses. I thought they were poppycock!! And then I kept running into them over and over again when I did soul retrieval work. Lucky for me I had spirits who were more than willing to help me to remove them.

You might notice I ever so carefully did not mention how LONG it took me to get spiritually self-confident *looks around, whistling* an awful lot of things have changed pretty drastically for me here in Kansas.... but then, this is the first time I can claim long-term and close-up experience with any kind of shamanism. It deals with different kinds of energy work and different kinds of beings than I have dealt with before.

Originally Posted by foxyshaman

I offered myself as the guinea pig for the class in Feb. So I had 15 of the 20 participants remove curses. I am going to bore you with the details so grab your now. I wore all black and took a 30 ft white nylon rope and had one of the students tie me in it. The reason was to have something 'tangible' to follow. Well all I can say was what a totally humbling exprience that was. People who did not know me came back telling me stories of ancestors being cursed for killing in a battle, & love gone awry, & abandonment and the list goes on. They were so accurate. Each person also had to tell me, if they could, what I could do with the rope to be a physical manifestation of the curse being removed. Well I had a number of suggestions. It was endlessly fascinating how many people came back with the same imagery... desert, black caves, lonely landscape... to name a few. Some of the curses were the same, or had the same underlying cause. It was interesting. And much of it completely related to long standing personal issues that are private.

So what I want to know is whether you expected them to find anything at all. I would have expected that you would be pretty "clean" psychically speaking, after years and years of taking care of yourself the way a shaman does! Did all those people finding curses surprise you, or was it only the intensity of the experience that was a surprise?

Originally Posted by foxyshaman

That night I went home and bathed and felt like - picture this - two chicken breasts four inches apart with string criss crossing to tie them together. That is what I felt like energetically. And I was not able to burn the rope for two weeks (the joys of being balls to the wall busy) but I felt all that time like I was wading through really heavy water. I was abnormally tired, sore and unable to wake. During the release ceremony the bag with the rope, which should have burnt like <snap fingers> didn't. It took on faces and fangs and a couple of other "looks". It took over 1/2 hour for the bag to even begin to burn. Then only a small hole burnt, then the inside burnt, the packing paper never really caught fire it just changed in darkness & layers. Anyway... about 3/4 of the way through I felt this enormous weight lift off my body. Duh... and feel SO MUCH BETTER.

Got any idea why it was so resistant? I'm curious because I'm running into resistant things lately, things that morph as I try to get them out of my head, my life, That House... the cleansings I do seemed to be easy at first and I don't know if it's getting harder because it's less effective now, or because I'm still tired and burnt out from December's huge energy-sending, or because I've cleaned out all the easy stuff and what's left behind is entrenched and really IS harder to get rid of...

Originally Posted by foxyshaman

The difference is remarkable. Will I change, well I think I will if I continually work on it. Do I think it helped, yes but in subtle ways and is still working. Would I ever let 15 ppl take curses off me at once... can I get a HELL NO. The energy work and removal was intense. Aside from the symptoms above I had a temper like crazy, and I don't really have one. I was a freaking basket case a couple of days there. Very unusual mental patterns. Since the release.... peace... more peace than I have had in a very long time.

Peace is a good thing, love. It makes me smile to know that you have new levels of it.

Originally Posted by foxyshaman

I taught the class again last weekend and did not offer myself up. But changed how things were done. I have not heard back from the students to see if they are changed, but I know if it worked for me, I am sure it will work for others.

I am teaching a level 2 class in May combining curse removal and power retrieval and will touch on soul retrieval as well. Should be intense. I am gonna work em hard

If they're worth your time, they will love you for working them hard. I would, anyway.

Originally Posted by foxyshaman

Anyway, there is my tome.

Curses, never believed in them.

But google the word Defixiones, it may give you some interesting food for thought.

Yeah, those old curse tablets are pretty amazing, aren't they? I didn't look at any of them... yanno... just in case. Lord love a duck, I think I might be gun-shy now.

My latest lesson in curses: I know someone who made the terrible mistake of buying a cursed house. He thought he was safe because he had a priest bless the house. He thought that removed the curse.

Then someone gifted spiritually removed the curse... they thought.

But yanno what, the whole time it was still working. It's still working today, even though Gryph quietly took the curse off three years ago.

The guy's wife keeps putting the energy back the way it was, to make it feel the same as it always did. Nobody can un-curse the house as long as she insists on being tied to it, because she doesn't know she's doing it and she wouldn't understand or believe anyone who tried to explain it to her. All she knows is that she feels safer when everything around her feels like it always did, so she puts it back "in order" when anyone disturbs it.

So. Even though I said before that cursing depends on the skills and belief of the curser, it is also true that once a curse is in place, other people can keep it there. A person doesn't have to be very sophisticated psychically to be strong, yanno?

Keep talking, oh Foxy one, you're sparking me to all kinds of insights now... Someday I would love to figure out how to call Canada and talk your ear off, lol....

Cath

[foxyshaman]

Originally Posted by Andrew, Jr.

Foxyshaman,

Do you sage your home? What do you find/feel afterwards?

Thank you for your many posts. I sure do enjoy them.

Peace,
Andrew

Hi Andrew,
Thank you for your kind words. I am glad you enjoy my posts, that makes me spirit smile.

I do use sage in my house. I love blending smudges. The house just feels deeply peaceful afterwards. I also find when I am outta sorts a good smudge put me back in my proper energetic alignment.

I use an old coffee grinder to put my sage in, and then I usually put frankinsence or myhrr in with it. I also have a myriad of other resins and plants that i grind in with it depending on what I am using the smudge for. I love smudge. Absolutely one of my favorite things to create.

Foxy

[foxyshaman]

You might notice I ever so carefully did not mention how LONG it took me to get spiritually self-confident *looks around, whistling* an awful lot of things have changed pretty drastically for me here in Kansas.... but then, this is the first time I can claim long-term and close-up experience with any kind of shamanism. It deals with different kinds of energy work and different kinds of beings than I have dealt with before.

It took you a long time... girl it took me a long time to believe in curses!!! Let alone figure out how to remove them. We are similar in more ways than I think you think!!

So what I want to know is whether you expected them to find anything at all. I would have expected that you would be pretty "clean" psychically speaking, after years and years of taking care of yourself the way a shaman does! Did all those people finding curses surprise you, or was it only the intensity of the experience that was a surprise?

I TOTALLY expected them to find them. I was really hoping they would find them. What I have learnt over the years is that I, despite working as hard as I do, can be as blind to myself as others. It can be really hard to work for ourselves because we have uber super duper filters that we have worked "lifetimes", not to mention this lifetime, on. So, I don't always see it. And to tell you the truth I never really put a great deal of effort into removing my curses. I have done quite a bit of cognitive behavioural therapy lately and think that it was the right time to get spiritual results that mirrored my cognitive results. As with most intense spiritual practice it is always better to get someone to else to do the work, it just works better.


Got any idea why it was so resistant? I'm curious because I'm running into resistant things lately, things that morph as I try to get them out of my head, my life, That House... the cleansings I do seemed to be easy at first and I don't know if it's getting harder because it's less effective now, or because I'm still tired and burnt out from December's huge energy-sending, or because I've cleaned out all the easy stuff and what's left behind is entrenched and really IS harder to get rid of...

You may want to change what it is your doing. Its akin to an antibiotic, spirit, negative spirit can get resistant to what we are doing. Change it up and come at it from a different angle or use another technique. Perhaps you know someone, or even Gryph, who can do an extraction on your body. It may be that you have an attachment or two that is stopping the work. Another set of eyes on your spiritual health cannot hurt at all.


My latest lesson in curses: I know someone who made the terrible mistake of buying a cursed house. He thought he was safe because he had a priest bless the house. He thought that removed the curse.

Then someone gifted spiritually removed the curse... they thought.

But yanno what, the whole time it was still working. It's still working today, even though Gryph quietly took the curse off three years ago.

The guy's wife keeps putting the energy back the way it was, to make it feel the same as it always did. Nobody can un-curse the house as long as she insists on being tied to it, because she doesn't know she's doing it and she wouldn't understand or believe anyone who tried to explain it to her. All she knows is that she feels safer when everything around her feels like it always did, so she puts it back "in order" when anyone disturbs it.

So. Even though I said before that cursing depends on the skills and belief of the curser, it is also true that once a curse is in place, other people can keep it there. A person doesn't have to be very sophisticated psychically to be strong, yanno?

It to me sounds like you are dealing with a suffering being. Now I am going to sound totally like a loon here, but bear with me. <cause seriously it won't be the first time I have seemed that way> I had a case in January of a house that had been REPEATEDLY cleared. One priest even came to the house to do a memorial service, and it helped the house, but only a bit and for a very short period of time. I was asked to come in and see what i could sense. The first thing I did was compassionately depossess the woman who lived in the house. Then, this was a total first for me, I offered my body as the way to get the spirits out of the house... now I would never ever have done that if I did not have my partner with me and was sure she could get them outta me. The spirits who left through me, spoke their story and told what we were specifically to do to interrupt the ley lines so that the house was not on a "super highway" of traveling spirits. We came back two weeks later, did the follow up work. Called in our spirits and cleared the house one last time. Peace in the house. It was a very humbling experience, but it worked. Quiet house. First time quiet in many years

The curse/being/unknown energy of the house you are referring to may well have attached itself to the Lady of the house. They are tricky tricky tricky beings and not to be underestimated. If you were fighting for your life (even if that is not what it really is) you would do anything. And so do they. I would suggest that the owners of the home google Betsy Bergstrom, and send her an email and ask if she has any students living in the area who can do this work. At this point they have nothing to lose. And you may be able to be a part of the healing ceremony and see some fascinating work done. Those are my thoughts.

We do have to figure out a way to get together. I think it would be divine to meet and share our collective knowledge. Put it out there, you never know what may come back!!

Have a wonderful day my sweet friend.

Lots of love

Foxy

[Andrew, Jr.]

Cath & Foxy,

You guys are just remarkable. I am learning so much from what you post. I wish we could all spend a month together just talking about this. I just buy my sage at a spiritual store in town. I used the lavender and thyme sage. They are selling pendjalum (sp?) mats now. Have you used these? I have a collection of rocks but am not sure of how to use the 2 together. Or even what outcome I could expect from using such a thing.

Cath, on so many levels you have helped me. You are just about love. So nobody and nothing can ever cross that. If I am just one, can you even imagine how many others you have touched? All I can say is wow. My hat is off to you, and always will be.

Foxy, on saging I agree with you. When I saged for the first time, the energy of my home just opened up to being more free and happy. The negativity was gone. As for me and Rosie...we both felt this. Not only did we feel it, we could sense this so did our furkids. Each one was so much more happier and at ease. I used to grow a ton of herbs. However, they have been with me since I bought the house. So they are about 12 years old now. We tried eating them just last night (garlic chives I froze from the summer). Gross. So, I think they are just growing, and no longer eatable.

Thank you both for your posts. I am learning.

Peace and goodness to you both,
Andrew

[Andrew, Jr.]

Now let me say this, just so there is no confusion here or anywhere here on this site, I am Christian. However, I mix my spirituality with Buddist and other religions to create my own version of loving God. I have principles about going to Mass that I follow. But I also believe in saging, and other rituals. Someone questioned me about burning incense. In both the Catholic & Greek faiths, we burn everything from charcoal, frankincense, myrrh, roses, jasmine, cinnamon, desert pine, honey amber, just to name a few. I use these at my alter at home.

Also, in my Parish, we have many services called Byzantine, but I don't attend them because they are in Spanish. So it wouldn't help me.

I also have many statues inside and outside my home. It is my way of showing others that I am faithful to only one Lord. I find comfort in them, esp. when I was very sick.

It is my belief that God knows my thoughts, my heart, my mind long before I speak them. There is no place I can hide, nor do I want too.

I hope this helps explain my faith.

Peace,
Andrew

[foxyshaman]

Andrew,

I have read many of your posts on this site and am very aware you are Christian. I, for one outside of christianity, appreciate your interest, curiousity and ability to allow others their own practices and faith.

[Andrew, Jr.]

Foxy,

Thank you for your kind words. I appreciate them. I get the perception that most don't understand me at all. I say one thing, and it gets taken out of the context of what I am meaning. For example, what is inside of me only comes out in dribbles. Make sense - yes?

I believe that there is more to this life than what most of us really understand. For example, most people think all mothers love and accept their children they birth. They have no realization/concept that there are some mothers who don't want their children or reject them. It is a part of nature. I believe that faith and nature as being interconnected. So as human beings we are all as well too.

Peace,
Andrew

[Bit]

I'm here--no time to write but I confess that's because I got caught up in reading a series of permaculture essays by my fav writer on the subject, Toby Hemenway. He's the author of Gaia's Garden and he is outstanding at seeing and analyzing patterns.

http://patternliteracy.com/index.html This is his website.

I will be back; I have some thoughts and questions about our convo but yanno, tis after midnight now.... sheesh, that caught me off guard. Darned Daylight Savings.

[foxyshaman]

Originally Posted by Andrew, Jr.

Foxy,

Thank you for your kind words. I appreciate them. I get the perception that most don't understand me at all. I say one thing, and it gets taken out of the context of what I am meaning. For example, what is inside of me only comes out in dribbles. Make sense - yes?

I believe that there is more to this life than what most of us really understand. For example, most people think all mothers love and accept their children they birth. They have no realization/concept that there are some mothers who don't want their children or reject them. It is a part of nature. I believe that faith and nature as being interconnected. So as human beings we are all as well too.

Peace,
Andrew

I have read your thoughts on your frustrations Andrew. And I can truly say I ask the spirits of love and compassion to sit with you and hear your stories.

I do know about Mothers rejecting their young. I work with them in my day job, every day. And fathers too, many fathers I come in contact with seem to believe their children are disposable.

Today, I am sure with the rest of the Planet the sorrows and fears in Japan are where my heart and thoughts lie.

Foxy

[Andrew, Jr.]

Foxy,

I am in an overwhelming grief over Japan. I cannot even begin to put it in words. It is such a loss of so many things, mainly humanitarian.

Yes, we must be patient with each other. And also reach out our hands to others. Sometimes politics separates nations and that should stop if you ask me. I cannot understand why we still have the poor among us, esp. children.

Sorry for the rant. I have information overload going on with Japan right now.

Thank you kind friend.

[Bit]

Wooohooo, I'm back!!

Originally Posted by foxyshaman

It took you a long time... girl it took me a long time to believe in curses!!! Let alone figure out how to remove them. We are similar in more ways than I think you think!!

Well, we're certainly sympatico.

I think a difference between us (been thinking about this) is that you decided to follow the path and then went for it, felt a calling and answered--and I, to my regret, have never been able to do so. Fear has held me back every step of the way and quite honestly, Foxy, it still does (although not as badly as before). And now that I am in a position where fear does not rule me as much--my focus is shot. Sheesh, how ironic.

Originally Posted by foxyshaman

I TOTALLY expected them to find them. I was really hoping they would find them. What I have learnt over the years is that I, despite working as hard as I do, can be as blind to myself as others. It can be really hard to work for ourselves because we have uber super duper filters that we have worked "lifetimes", not to mention this lifetime, on. So, I don't always see it. And to tell you the truth I never really put a great deal of effort into removing my curses. I have done quite a bit of cognitive behavioural therapy lately and think that it was the right time to get spiritual results that mirrored my cognitive results. As with most intense spiritual practice it is always better to get someone to else to do the work, it just works better.

Huh... well, there's a couple new things to think of. I've been feeling guilty about how much Gryph does on my behalf; he's been working on cleaning up old curses for several years now, for instance. I wish I could do the same for him, I truly do--I'd do it in a heartbeat. But one of the strong attitudes I've come up against fairly often in the Pagan community is that I should take care of my own needs, be independent and self-reliant, never ask for help unless I'm desperate... the easiest example is the one about charged candles, the kind you buy with the blessing or spell worked into them by the maker. I've actually been told that's laziness, that a "real" witch should never need that; I've even been told that using a candle someone else charged would "contaminate" my working.

But what if the person who charged the candle I want to buy is actually very highly skilled, more skilled than I am? Why would it be lazy or wrong to make use of that kind of help? Why would it be wrong to make use of any kind of help? I mean, MY first instinct is always to help others, so why would it would be wrong for others to help me?

I'm thinking you have the right of it, darlin; I'm thinking it is good to have others do at least some of this work. Thanks for getting me to think about it.

Originally Posted by foxyshaman

You may want to change what it is your doing. Its akin to an antibiotic, spirit, negative spirit can get resistant to what we are doing. Change it up and come at it from a different angle or use another technique. Perhaps you know someone, or even Gryph, who can do an extraction on your body. It may be that you have an attachment or two that is stopping the work. Another set of eyes on your spiritual health cannot hurt at all.

I've been thinking about this and my first reaction was "but I don't know anything else!!" and my second reaction was, "but this IS something new." I've only been using this psychic cleansing technique for a month or so. Maybe you're right about the attachment, but I most sincerely hope not. I think I prefer to label the things "resistant to spiritual antibiotic, try spiritual antifungal next". Tea Tree Oil for the soul.

Originally Posted by foxyshaman

The guy's wife keeps putting the energy back the way it was, to make it feel the same as it always did. Nobody can un-curse the house as long as she insists on being tied to it, because she doesn't know she's doing it and she wouldn't understand or believe anyone who tried to explain it to her. All she knows is that she feels safer when everything around her feels like it always did, so she puts it back "in order" when anyone disturbs it.


It to me sounds like you are dealing with a suffering being.

Oh love, you have no idea. I think I will PM you with more details.

Originally Posted by foxyshaman

Now I am going to sound totally like a loon here, but bear with me. <cause seriously it won't be the first time I have seemed that way>

LOL!!! You and me both.

I had a case in January of a house that had been REPEATEDLY cleared. One priest even came to the house to do a memorial service, and it helped the house, but only a bit and for a very short period of time. I was asked to come in and see what i could sense. The first thing I did was compassionately depossess the woman who lived in the house. Then, this was a total first for me, I offered my body as the way to get the spirits out of the house... now I would never ever have done that if I did not have my partner with me and was sure she could get them outta me. The spirits who left through me, spoke their story and told what we were specifically to do to interrupt the ley lines so that the house was not on a "super highway" of traveling spirits. We came back two weeks later, did the follow up work. Called in our spirits and cleared the house one last time. Peace in the house. It was a very humbling experience, but it worked. Quiet house. First time quiet in many years

That is a fantastic story! I love that! And you, my dear are one DEDICATED shaman.

That House is on a Super Highway; we've worked hard to get all the portals closed and we still chase beings back where they belong all the time. We don't wish to change the ley lines, but it is our goal to get That House anchored well and truly as a place of stability. Our ghost is most welcome; she was Guardian of That House when she owned it and she has continued on as Guardian ever since. We love her very dearly.

Originally Posted by foxyshaman

The curse/being/unknown energy of the house you are referring to may well have attached itself to the Lady of the house. They are tricky tricky tricky beings and not to be underestimated. If you were fighting for your life (even if that is not what it really is) you would do anything. And so do they. I would suggest that the owners of the home google Betsy Bergstrom, and send her an email and ask if she has any students living in the area who can do this work. At this point they have nothing to lose. And you may be able to be a part of the healing ceremony and see some fascinating work done. Those are my thoughts.

The curse was put on by owners of the house who lost it in a foreclosure. I don't know too much more about it than what I've told you; I suppose I could trace it down but I know that would exhaust me beyond my limits right now (I haven't fully recovered yet). Gryph has had Allies working on it for several years but I told him to let it go; his energy is needed for so many other things. There's never enough of any of us to meet the crying need, yanno? And what Gryph does for the people around us is draining enough--no need to have him pour energy into what is clearly a losing cause. The cursed house has to be someone else's problem now.

I'll keep Betsy Bergstrom's name though, thank you!

Originally Posted by foxyshaman

We do have to figure out a way to get together. I think it would be divine to meet and share our collective knowledge. Put it out there, you never know what may come back!!

Have a wonderful day my sweet friend.

Lots of love

Foxy

I would be so happy just to visit with you! Although I suppose I'd be like a little kid, lol, "tell me a story! tell me another story!" You bring that out in me; I'm just utterly fascinated by the things you do.

Love to you!
Cath

[Bit]

Originally Posted by foxyshaman

Today, I am sure with the rest of the Planet the sorrows and fears in Japan are where my heart and thoughts lie.

Originally Posted by Andrew, Jr.

Foxy,

I am in an overwhelming grief over Japan. I cannot even begin to put it in words.

It's one of those things which is too big to really understand; we can touch on it but I doubt if anyone can really truly articulate the immensity of the loss. The amount of pain and suffering is so huge; how could anyone endure it? And yet the people of Japan are enduring it, because they have no choice.

The need is so immense. It's overwhelming. Life can never be the same again for those who have lived through the destruction. Things like this mark people's souls.

[2myladyblue]

Wow...looks like I've missed some great convos...I'll have to go further to read back, but wanted to smile & wave all around & throw this one out there...

When 9/11 happened, I felt similar to the way many others are now feeling about Japan. Instinctively, I cleared space, burned candles, prayed (in as much as I do - that's a whole other convo...) & I wanted to put this to Foxy & Bit or anyone else who has an opinion (& I really hope this hasn't already been discussed further back) but...

Can we (psychically/energetically) lend....assistance in times of trouble - on a global scale (& if you believe so, how do you go about it)...

I think I'll leave it there for now, but I might have a story to share when I return....

-Blue

[Bit]

{{{{{{{{{{{Blue}}}}}}}}}}}}} Hi honey! Good to hear from you!

Yes, I believe we can and should lend assistance whenever we are able to. It's vitally important to people in a disaster; I believe the outpouring of love, concern, and prayers/energy is what makes it possible for people to survive things like 9/11, Katrina, or the disastrous earthquakes and tsunami in Japan. Without the compassion pouring in from the rest of the world, I think people would go on living but wouldn't really recover, yanno?

How to do it? Pretty much like you described doing. The candle might be optional for me, though. *smiling* I guess I don't see sending energy on a global scale any differently than I see sending energy to an individual--but then I grew up praying for world peace, so I guess I'm used to the idea of sending globally.

Love to hear your story! Hope you can come back soon!

[2myladyblue]

Originally Posted by Bit

{{{{{{{{{{{Blue}}}}}}}}}}}}} Hi honey! Good to hear from you!

Yes, I believe we can and should lend assistance whenever we are able to. It's vitally important to people in a disaster; I believe the outpouring of love, concern, and prayers/energy is what makes it possible for people to survive things like 9/11, Katrina, or the disastrous earthquakes and tsunami in Japan. Without the compassion pouring in from the rest of the world, I think people would go on living but wouldn't really recover, yanno?

How to do it? Pretty much like you described doing. The candle might be optional for me, though. *smiling* I guess I don't see sending energy on a global scale any differently than I see sending energy to an individual--but then I grew up praying for world peace, so I guess I'm used to the idea of sending globally.

Love to hear your story! Hope you can come back soon!

(((Bit)))
It's good to be back! My adventures sans internet haven't been much to write home about, but after 6 months of being a foster mommy, it is good to have a peek outside of my world & feel like part of a larger community again.
(Can we say In-tro-vert...lol)

My story...hmm...what was I going to share...
Oh yes...Well...when Hurricane Katrina happened, my friend began having very troubling "dreams". She was hardly sleeping for fear of having another of these horrible nightmares. When she told me about it, I brought up the possibility that she might be a medium & being sought out by those who had recently passed in the disaster. This wasn't something that she had previously experienced or that she felt ready for on such a large scale.

Now, I agree with you...we should absolutely lend whatever kind of assistance we can - if we can. She didn't feel she was in a position to lend as much assistance as was being asked of her. So we talked some more about what she might try during these 'dreams', in terms of not being so open, preparing herself to help anyone who did come through & being able to draw the line & take care of herself when it became too much for her. It became a nightly 'exercise' for awhile. She was able to pass on love & light to many & help one lost & lonely boy in particular realize that he had died & move on (I am so proud of her!). She has since become much more comfortable with the whole idea & has developed her ability on her own.

Please note: I have no 'real' (personal) experience to speak from on this topic, but I do know how to be a good friend & listen & that was all she really needed...to not feel like she was crazy...to not feel judged & I'm glad that I was able to provide that.

Which reminds me...this place...feels good like that too...a safe & welcoming place that people from different backgrounds can come together & discuss things that we may (or may not) be able to discuss with everyone in our every day life. And I want to say Thank you to everyone who contributes to that atmosphere.

I might come back with another story after the babies are finished lunch...

-Blue

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Originally Posted by 2myladyblue

Oh yes...Well...when Hurricane Katrina happened, my friend began having very troubling "dreams". She was hardly sleeping for fear of having another of these horrible nightmares. When she told me about it, I brought up the possibility that she might be a medium & being sought out by those who had recently passed in the disaster. This wasn't something that she had previously experienced or that she felt ready for on such a large scale.

OH my word your poor friend, to come "open" at such a time!!! Talk about trial by fire! I'm so glad she had you to talk to!

Originally Posted by 2myladyblue

.... that was all she really needed...to not feel like she was crazy...to not feel judged....

I think we all need that, most especially those of us who walk paths that are not mainstream, yanno? Like you, I cherish the openness of this thread. There are things I talk about here now that I never could have talked about before... heck, I didn't even believe they were real before, and now they happen to me! So a non-judgmental place is really wonderful.

[foxyshaman]

Hail and Hello Blue and squishy hugs to you Cath!!!


Abilities come in all forms with different levels. Global disasters can be hard to deal with from a spiritual perspective. In shamanic traditions there is a method called psychopomp, which basically means crossing the souls over. I like this work, actually I love this work. What I have come to discover however is that not all spirits respond to the work. When we do the work we can encounter spirits who have lived in a different spiritual tradition than myself or my circle mates. These spirits can shun us in the spirit world or flat out tell us mind our own business. Those were good lessons. It doesn´t stop us from trying to help however. And as in every place on earth different people practice different spiritual traditions.

I have been away from home for the last couple of weeks so I was not able to participate in our circles gatherings for psychopomp work for Japan. However, I am sure that they encountered some spirits who wanted no help from western shamanic practitioners, no matter how well meaning.

There are different ways to do psychopomp work. The first time I tried this was in 1999 when there was an earthquake in Turkey. I was instantly attracted to the work and found it IMMENSELY rewarding. I also think it is exceptionally important work. I often encounter stuck spirits wherever I go, and sometimes I can help and sometimes I cannot.

Interesting tid bit... I am in Mexico right now and the main reason I came was to celebrate equinox at ChiChin Itza. It´s my birthday, so I figured why the hell not celebrate the balance of light and dark (and secretly me ha ha) with 25,000 others. It was beautiful and an amazing blissed out day for me. When I got back to my hotel that night, I had a really strange series of dreams regarding suffering beings, other wise known as possession. I woke up thinking something was not right. (duh heh!!) Then I went to my small fridge to get my drinking water... it was frozen. The same bottle I had drunk out of when I was away. Nothing else was frozen in the fridge. So... something had followed me home. The other odd thing was I was craving a cigarette...almost unbearable. I quit smoking ten years ago, but I almost gave in. Did my small ceremony in my room and it left. Whew...

That night I had even more dreams. In each dream more and more people were coming to house to watch me perform a ceremony of compassionate depossession. The house was so full I kept wondering where everyone would sit. I knew when I woke up someone big was coming and that I had to pay attention. Then later that day, towards the evening I went into town to wander... and wandered right into one of my favorite people in the whole world and I had not seen him for three years. He is terminal and when I saw him I `felt`he is surrounded by a host of spirits. Neither of us was surprised we ran into each other. He is coming for work with me when I get home, incidently he was moving to my home city and would fly out the next day.

Dreams are amazing. What I have found over the years is that the more I pay attention to them and understand my own personal symbolism displayed in my dreams, the more meaning I can derive from them. Our dreams are as individual as we are. They have a language that is unique to each person.

Anyway, this short note has turned into a short novella.

Thanks for listening.

[IrishGrrl]

Hey everyone. I havent been posting much lately, busy with life, and introspection. I have finally set up my alter after much putting it off. why did I do that? I feel so much better already and it's only been an hour. My spirit is realigning.

Hope you all are well!

blessed be,
Irish