What are your three non-negotiables (in a relationship)?

[silkepus]

Originally Posted by DJ4321

First, thanks for this thread. I've read most of the other posts and totally agree that 1)Honesty; 2) Integrity; 3) Fidelity
I would have to add Understanding (If you expect me to forgive your shortcomings, be prepared to forgive mine-we are afterall, both human); No drama--if I want drama, I'll watch it on television. I expect some drama from a femme (Ok, OK, now don't take offense at that, it's just been my experience is all), but let's sit down and talk like the two adults we claim to be and do it without drama; Loving, compassionate, able to accept all the love and tenderness I want to shower you with; My strength, my heart, my love is yours--take it but handle it with CARE.
OK, so I guess that's a few more than three, but they would be my deal breakers.

I'd like to point out that none of my deal breakers have anything to do with any physical characterstics or flaws. They are all nontangible---the things that really matter in life.

Offense taken.

[Jar]

Originally Posted by silkepus

Offense taken.

I knew when I saw that post it was going to offend and I found it offensive as well. I know people in the community AND outside it that cause drama on a regular basis.

[Violette]

Originally Posted by DJ4321

First, thanks for this thread. I've read most of the other posts and totally agree that 1)Honesty; 2) Integrity; 3) Fidelity
I would have to add Understanding (If you expect me to forgive your shortcomings, be prepared to forgive mine-we are afterall, both human); No drama--if I want drama, I'll watch it on television. I expect some drama from a femme (Ok, OK, now don't take offense at that, it's just been my experience is all), but let's sit down and talk like the two adults we claim to be and do it without drama; Loving, compassionate, able to accept all the love and tenderness I want to shower you with; My strength, my heart, my love is yours--take it but handle it with CARE.
OK, so I guess that's a few more than three, but they would be my deal breakers.

I'd like to point out that none of my deal breakers have anything to do with any physical characterstics or flaws. They are all nontangible---the things that really matter in life.

I find that we pick people who are mirrors for ourselves. When a person can see that and chooses to learn from that, their experience deepens. One can see what one is bringing to the dynamic. Perhaps some reflection is in order.

You chose to write some interesting words in a site full of femmes and people who love them. Perhaps this is what you seek.

[*Anya*]

Originally Posted by DJ4321

First, thanks for this thread. I've read most of the other posts and totally agree that 1)Honesty; 2) Integrity; 3) Fidelity
I would have to add Understanding (If you expect me to forgive your shortcomings, be prepared to forgive mine-we are afterall, both human); No drama--if I want drama, I'll watch it on television. I expect some drama from a femme (Ok, OK, now don't take offense at that, it's just been my experience is all), but let's sit down and talk like the two adults we claim to be and do it without drama; Loving, compassionate, able to accept all the love and tenderness I want to shower you with; My strength, my heart, my love is yours--take it but handle it with CARE.
OK, so I guess that's a few more than three, but they would be my deal breakers.

I'd like to point out that none of my deal breakers have anything to do with any physical characterstics or flaws. They are all nontangible---the things that really matter in life.

Originally Posted by silkepus

Offense taken.

Ditto. *Said very calmly and with zero drama*

[MsTinkerbelly]

Originally Posted by DJ4321

First, thanks for this thread. I've read most of the other posts and totally agree that 1)Honesty; 2) Integrity; 3) Fidelity
I would have to add Understanding (If you expect me to forgive your shortcomings, be prepared to forgive mine-we are afterall, both human); No drama--if I want drama, I'll watch it on television. I expect some drama from a femme (Ok, OK, now don't take offense at that, it's just been my experience is all), but let's sit down and talk like the two adults we claim to be and do it without drama; Loving, compassionate, able to accept all the love and tenderness I want to shower you with; My strength, my heart, my love is yours--take it but handle it with CARE.
OK, so I guess that's a few more than three, but they would be my deal breakers.

I'd like to point out that none of my deal breakers have anything to do with any physical characterstics or flaws. They are all nontangible---the things that

really matter in life.

Offense taken

[kittygrrl]

Originally Posted by DJ4321

First, thanks for this thread. I've read most of the other posts and totally agree that 1)Honesty; 2) Integrity; 3) Fidelity
I would have to add Understanding (If you expect me to forgive your shortcomings, be prepared to forgive mine-we are afterall, both human); No drama--if I want drama, I'll watch it on television. I expect some drama from a femme (Ok, OK, now don't take offense at that, it's just been my experience is all), but let's sit down and talk like the two adults we claim to be and do it without drama; Loving, compassionate, able to accept all the love and tenderness I want to shower you with; My strength, my heart, my love is yours--take it but handle it with CARE.
OK, so I guess that's a few more than three, but they would be my deal breakers.

I'd like to point out that none of my deal breakers have anything to do with any physical characterstics or flaws. They are all nontangible---the things that really matter in life.

You are welcome Sir, but let me include that in my experience butches seem to have a taste for drama too, sometimes in the best of ways! but also unfortunately at times not. Emotions between two people who love each other can run hot and so there are bound to be times, when passion can run amuk. But this should be anticipated and if there is love, you eventually come together and work out a fair solution. Love is great, it's just not simple!

[Candelion]

In my experience I have found that broaching a subject as a calm, reasonable, adult has still resulted in me being accused of drama. Sometimes, the other person has simply not wanted to discuss the subject that I have broached. Pulling the "drama" accusation is an easy way to shut down the conversation, instead of being honest and simply saying, "I don't feel like talking about it now". Nobody wants to be a drama queen, so it's an easy way to silence someone.

I have to agree with kittygrrl...sometimes intense passion brings a little drama. But I would NEVER forego passion simply to avoid a little drama. Drama...heh...I can deal with it.

Welcome to the planet, DJ.

[DJ4321]

Holy cow! You sweet little femmes might just have opened my eyes a little bit! Can it possibly be that I've lived this long without learning this? I think maybe this is why I'm drawn to you soft, cuddly teddy bears---you appear like you need us Butches, but maybe it's really us Butches who need you!
You have all given me lots to contemplate--am I looking in a mirror, am I really just shutting down the conversation, am I afraid to honestly see so I just call it "drama"? Very interesting indeed.
Thanks everyone for your honesty and willingness to help this butch.

[Jar]

Originally Posted by DJ4321

Holy cow! You sweet little femmes might just have opened my eyes a little bit! Can it possibly be that I've lived this long without learning this? I think maybe this is why I'm drawn to you soft, cuddly teddy bears---you appear like you need us Butches, but maybe it's really us Butches who need you!
You have all given me lots to contemplate--am I looking in a mirror, am I really just shutting down the conversation, am I afraid to honestly see so I just call it "drama"? Very interesting indeed.
Thanks everyone for your honesty and willingness to help this butch.

I don't mean to criticize but this post feels a little condescending. I don't think you mean any harm but sometimes our (mine too) posts come across totally wrong.

I do agree with one thing you said .... That it's us butches that need femmes! I crave that energy. The exchange between butch and femme is like no other energy.

[lamuymuyfem]

Originally Posted by DJ4321

Holy cow! You sweet little femmes might just have opened my eyes a little bit! Can it possibly be that I've lived this long without learning this? I think maybe this is why I'm drawn to you soft, cuddly teddy bears---you appear like you need us Butches, but maybe it's really us Butches who need you!
You have all given me lots to contemplate--am I looking in a mirror, am I really just shutting down the conversation, am I afraid to honestly see so I just call it "drama"? Very interesting indeed.
Thanks everyone for your honesty and willingness to help this butch.

CIJS…which is another thread….This sweet-but-assertive, not-so little femme would lovingly ask you to continue your self-reflection…..

Butch Femme Planet is never boring and a great place to learn new things……..DJ4321, enjoy your journey of discovery.

Originally Posted by DJ4321

Holy cow! You sweet little femmes might just have opened my eyes a little bit! Can it possibly be that I've lived this long without learning this? I think maybe this is why I'm drawn to you soft, cuddly teddy bears---you appear like you need us Butches, but maybe it's really us Butches who need you!
You have all given me lots to contemplate--am I looking in a mirror, am I really just shutting down the conversation, am I afraid to honestly see so I just call it "drama"? Very interesting indeed.
Thanks everyone for your honesty and willingness to help this butch.

Really?

Answering with yet more of the same assumptions and sexist language doesn't really help yer cause mate.
You'll find plenty of strong, capable, articulate femmes who will be telling you why such attitudes and language are unacceptable. Pin back yer ears!

* handy hint alert
May I suggest reading around the site. You'll learn lots if you remain open-minded and willing to learn. I've learned lots about my attitudes by being a member here and reading...lots.

[CherylNYC]

Originally Posted by DJ4321

Holy cow! You sweet little femmes might just have opened my eyes a little bit! Can it possibly be that I've lived this long without learning this? I think maybe this is why I'm drawn to you soft, cuddly teddy bears---you appear like you need us Butches, but maybe it's really us Butches who need you!
You have all given me lots to contemplate--am I looking in a mirror, am I really just shutting down the conversation, am I afraid to honestly see so I just call it "drama"? Very interesting indeed.
Thanks everyone for your honesty and willingness to help this butch.

I'm not sure where to start deconstructing this head-patting, sexist mess, but I wonder if this second post was yet another attempt to start drama since your first post didn't quite get enough fire breathing aimed at you to justify your repellent assertion that femmes are drama prone? You should open your eyes and look in the mirror, indeed.

Of course I always suspect we're getting played by a troll whenever it's as easy as shooting fish in a barrel.

[Shystonefem]

1. If you cannot disagree with me without yelling, screaming or name calling, we won't get along

2. You don't have to love my kids but accepting them as my family and a huge part of my life is very important. If you expect me to spend Christmas without the kids, we won't get along.

3. I will support your career and I expect you to support mine. Expect that I work long hours and I will respect if you do.

Ok... there's one more

4. No violence and no drug dependency.

[DanceFoolsDance]

Self-sufficient (must have a stable work and living situation)
Good health and hygiene (honest effort, in all ways)
Trustworthy (hiding, lying, and manipulating is my biggest deal breaker)

[AnAwkwardAccident]

1. Compassionate
2. Respectful
3. Intelligent

[JDeere]

Open and total communication
Honesty
Respect

If you can't do these three don't bother with me then

[kassykit]

Liars, this is a huge one for me. Don't lie, that simple.

You must be honest, compassionate, and kind.

[Tuff Stuff]

Originally Posted by kittygrrl

I think everyone should have at least a few things that they have to have (in a realtionship) to keep the home fires burning and have a little slice of joy in your lives together. I have a few and I know, my S.O. does also. But our have-to's are very different. I'm interested in what works for others. Please share your thoughts of what works and/or would work for you. Thanks

Mine:
Must be monogomous
Intelligent
Sick sense of humor



Hers:
Confidence
Good work ethic
Sex maniac

[RockOn]

- open & honest (and not tell only part of the story because being with-holding is being deceptive which equates to lying)

- must have a light side, enjoys laughing at silly things ... too much seriousness will squelch my soul

- no drunks, no druggies ... in my opinion, nothing ... (repeat) nothing brings on lying and cheating faster ... the shallowness of these type games, games, games = boredom ... I see through the smoke & mirrors ... once upon a time, I had to be a loser in order to have such keen perception ... every day that goes by, I am so thankful to be sober from substances that kept my mind riddled and confused ... not everyone is fortunate enough to live through it to break out to the other side ... FACT: many die and that is sad

[job]

1. You must love animals. And I don't mean eating them. How you treat animals tells me pretty much everything I need to know about you.

2. Honesty. Even if you think I won't like it, just say it. If I don't know how you really feel then nothing between us is accurate or real.

3. Want me. If you can take me or leave me, then I don't want you. I don't want to be replaceable.

Good hygiene and a dirty mind are gimmes...