What you may not know about Chick-fil-A

[morningstar55]

I am NOT ... 4 the Kiss thng either... thnk the bull dog idea is great.
Ya knw i do believe Hobby Lobby is a Christian based store 2 ..... and closed on Sundays never hear anythng frm thm.

[arcstriker]

Last friday when LL and I were driving to our romantic get-a-way, we were listening to one of the many talk shows on the radio with this whole Chicken thing.

All that talk of chicken made me so hungry we had to pull off the nearest exit to find something to eat. We settled for the golden arches, and I just had to have the 10 piece Chicken Mcnuggets with BBQ sauce!

In all honesty Cathy is the owner of a private company and the last time I check we still have the right to free speech as long as you don't scream fire when there isn't one. People will or will not chose to eat there based on his statement.

I am not so sure about whole towns and city's saying that they will not allow Chic-flilets stores to open in there area. Right now the economy and jobs are a huge issue and I hate to see opportunities drop by the way side.

Its just my opinion. Now I am going to check out the refrig and see if there is any left over chicken from last night to have for lunch!

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well-known activist and blogger Pam Spaulding:

IMHO, I’m not keen on this as an effective protest tool — it’s not about our right to love (ostensibly why gay couples will be there kissing), it’s about Chick-fil-As record of anti-gay discrimination and funding of groups that want us DEAD, endorse “ex-gay” therapy, and to deny LGBTs basic civil rights. The kiss-in seems more like a stunt for shock value that the fundies will try capitalize on by tying the action to sex acts that they abhor. The “ick” factor has been one of the major issues these folks cling to, like it or not. [snip]

I’m not saying that direct actions are useless; I just don’t think this particular one focuses on the vile business practices that are counter to equality under the law — and they are draped in religious bigotry that is funded by Chick-fil-A. It allows the framing of the issue to remain in the court of the fundamentalists. Gay=sex. Sex=icky. Remember, Chick-fil-A doesn’t mind firing adulterers, or non-Christians (the latter cost them a pretty penny for firing a Muslim that didn’t want to pray to Jesus at a corporate event). The world view is extremely narrow and discriminatory.

[BullDog]

It's about corporate profits funding anti-equality and anti-gay groups.

Oh and "free speech"- no I don't believe people have the right to publicly state just anything they want. They don't have a right to promote hate.

[LeftWriteFemme]

5 Reasons Why the Church Failed Yesterday


http://matthewpaulturner.net/blog/5-...led-yesterday/

[ruffryder]

Never been to Chick Fil Hate and never will. It sucked to see all the support the other day. People are so ignorant to think it's based on free speech. A kiss in day? How stupid i say! People think it's gonna be a full make out go at it day and probably some idiots will. I don't think it solves anything. I would agree more with a bunch of gays holding hands around the Chick Fil Hate places, buying some deli chicken or KFC and handing it out for free to those that came to Chick Fil Hate.

Starbucks is having an appreciation day, Aug 7. So be sure and go! Starbucks not only treats customers and employees with respect and dignity, but for the last 20 years, it also has offered domestic partner benefits in the U.S. to part-time and full-time employees. Drink for marriage equality

[BullDog]

Originally Posted by LeftWriteFemme

5 Reasons Why the Church Failed Yesterday


http://matthewpaulturner.net/blog/5-...led-yesterday/

Great article. Thank you for posting it LeftWriteFemme.

Christianity is supposed to be about love. There are some so-called Christians who spend way too much time judging others and "hating the sin." I grew up in a Christian household and have read the Bible many times. Not once do I recall there being anything about telling people to go out and judge people and to determine what sin is. I don't think Jesus even had that right. Only God got to decide what sin is.

I am not a Christian but the two people who love me the most in this world are- my partner and my mother.

I wouldn't support a queer business owner sending corporate profits to "cure" people of Christianity any more than I would so-called Christians sending money to "cure" homosexuality. I wouldn't support gay people standing up and promoting hate against Christians. I don't support hate and people can spin it all they want and try to call it "free speech."

[The_Lady_Snow]

I'm not spending $5.00 on chicken just so I can kiss Grant, that's not protesting. I'll take the streets, occupy, feed the endless of homeless that are in Jacksonville's streets. I'll be damned if that company EVER gets my $$..

[ruffryder]

Who said anything about spending money on kiss in day? I say walk in, look around and say loudly, "Babe, this isn't KFC! Oh yea this is that hate place. What brought us here? Oh yea, we are here just to voice our opinion and freedeom of speech that we do not agree with what the owner of Chick Fil A says and his values about marriage. Have a nice day everybody. We are going to KFC now where the chicken and company is finer!" *give your partner a smooch and walk out* LOL! Can you imagine !

[Miss Scarlett]

i wasn't planning on posting in this thread but...

i don't agree with what Mr Cathy believes but he has the right to his beliefs just like we do. The First Amendment allows freedom of speech and religion to everyone in this country not just those who say what i agree with or want to hear...

i used to be very active in the fight for our rights but grew tired of the lack of support within our own community...if we would take all of this energy and opposition and actually put it to work perhaps we will make some progress...nothing happens overnight or by magic...it takes time, a lot of hard work, patience and perserverance...but we CAN do it!

BTW - i noticed the map above shows that gay employees can be legally fired in NC...true there is no protection but this is an employment at will state with few protections beyond the standards of age, race, religion, disability, etc.

[Martina]

Unfortunately, with activism, a lot of the time you don't get to choose your fights. I sure would not have chosen gay marriage as the central issue of the fight for lgbtq rights. Look at that map that Howsoonisnow posted showing all the states where we can be fired for being gay. That's an issue I could get behind with more enthusiasm. But inevitably, because my enemies were coming after me on the gay marriage issue, I stood behind it too.

I think that whenever we are attacked, we should stand up. I don't care if people like us. They don't have to. What they need to know is that every time they try to hurt us, we are going to stand up to them using every resource at our disposal: protests, lawsuits, boycotts, art, and so on.

I don't care about the corporation itself. But all those people out there supporting them -- I want some of us out there looking them in the eyes letting them know that we see them for the bigots they are.

[BullDog]

If Jesus was here on planet Earth right now would he be supporting Chick-fil-a with the thumbs up sign or would he be out feeding the poor and standing up against hypocrisy like he did in the Bible? If people are going to call themselves Christians they should follow Christ's example.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by ruffryder

Who said anything about spending money on kiss in day? I say walk in, look around and say loudly, "Babe, this isn't KFC! Oh yea this is that hate place. What brought us here? Oh yea, we are here just to voice our opinion and freedeom of speech that we do not agree with what the owner of Chick Fil A says and his values about marriage. Have a nice day everybody. We are going to KFC now where the chicken and company is finer!" *give your partner a smooch and walk out* LOL! Can you imagine !

I don't roll this way when it comes to my politics, I haven't been able to in the past without the fear of being handcuffed. I will be honest and admit your example for me brings up a sense of fear. Fear of some good ol boy getting up doing something to either myself or Grant, for me that kind of passive aggressive walk in only fuels their "the gays are evil".

As a group we are going to have to go at this in a civil rights approach, we are being singled out by Corperate goons, they are marketing fear. We need to smarter, calmer, and lawful it's not going to be easy but no movement ever is..

[Martina]

Originally Posted by BullDog

If people are going to call themselves Christians they should follow Christ's example.

And lots of Christians do all that.

But if you are talking to the Christian right, you are wasting your time. They are fundamentalists in the way that Al-Qaida members are. They are not going to respond to arguments like that. They are about preserving power and privilege that they think they have lost. They are not Christian in the sense that you would like. And they aren't American if to be American means to support the freedoms guaranteed by the constitution.

A little shaming, saying wwjd, is not going to have an effect. These people are our enemies. I take them seriously.

[BullDog]

I take them seriously too Martina. And there are Christians that practice what they preach. It doesn't hurt to point out the hypocrisy for those that don't. They aren't practicing Christianity, they are promoting hate.

[weatherboi]

i think my biggest problem is the space to hate that has been created due to the founders stance on equality and marriage. even if i was gonna choose to go there it probably wouldn't be safe for me to do so for any number of reasons.one reason would be my overall fear that there is one petty hater that is gonna be making my sandwich and know i am a queer and decide to do something unthinkable to my meal. the second reason is that as a trans person my bathroom space will never be respected with the attitudes the company has set in place. they would probably call the cops on me for using the mens bathroom. thirdly if there is an incident ever involving me or anybody i love on any chik a fil a site we/ i will probably be seen as the bad guys because we all look like and are queers.

As a business owner it is never a good idea to support anything oppressive what so ever. The only reason chik a fil a can do so is because they are a billion dollar company and can do whatever they want because our religious influenced oppressive government has set it up so they can also oppress and i think that is now pretty obvious the influence big money has on our social policies. Chik Fil A is big money. They have people attempting to sue them all the time for their hiring and firing practices.

I think the same thoughts can be applied to a city or state. It is not in any city, state, or country's best interest to bring in companies that have oppressive policies and philosophies. It is not in any cities, states, country's best interest to have any equality issues what so ever. They lose good companies that are progressive. They lose talented young people to other progressive cities in other more open minded areas. We see it here all the time where I live. No protections for LGBT so we lose companies, we lose opportunities to have big companies here, and we lose talented young people.

Anti equality anything is hurtful anywhere to our economy, our people and the world as a whole. It does not create jobs when companies don't want to be in the same city as a company like chik a fil a. It doesn't create jobs when a city doesn't have protections in place for lgbt people. So if a city has a supportive LGBT policy and practice it makes perfect sense to me not to welcome chik a fil a in.

[Miss Scarlett]

Originally Posted by Martina

And they aren't American if to be American means to support the freedoms guaranteed by the constitution.

Martina, an interesting comment...can you please expand on this a bit more so i can better understand what you are saying?

[BullDog]

Yes exactly Weatherboi. People promoting hate makes it unsafe for us. Anti equality of anything has nothing to do with free speech.

[Martina]

Well, they are challenging the separation of church and state at every turn. Not just legally, but as pseudo-historians. They actually believe there was no intention to separate church and state by the founders.

They would like to refound the country as a Christian nation based on what they understand as Christian values, forcing us all to adhere to them by law.

That is as un-American as it is possible to be, in my opinion.

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