Casey Anthony - guilty, or not?

[Toughy]

I stand by what the jury said. They were sitting in the room every day, listened to the judge, witnesses, lawyers, saw her every day and reached a verdict. All 12 of them agreed she lied to the po po. All 12 of them agreed (edited to add: there was reasonable doubt) she did not kill/murder her child.

Trying and convicting people in the press without all the facts hurts our judicial system. Especially when the verdict is not guilty or in this case guilty of lying, but not manslaughter/murder. Common law (and US law) all the way back to the late 1700's states suspects are innocent until proven guilty, with the prosecution having the burden of proof. All of us should remember this.

[Peach]

I was saying to Huskyb last night, there was NO proof how the child died, and without that, there was no proof she was killed by her mother, and she was going to walk. I hoped I was wrong, but I wasnt.

[Kobi]

This verdict, to me, seems justified given the lack of direct evidence. Circumstantial evidence that requires mental gymnastics is likely to be problematic to a convinction.

The prosecution just didnt prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt.

She is to be sentenced Thursday and I fully expect, after 3 years in custody, she will walk out a free woman that day.

Someday, perhaps, the truth of what happened to that child will surface.

[Corkey]

When the prosecution provides only circumstantial evidence in a Capitol case and does not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused is guilty, then the person is not adjudicated guilty. She was found guilty of lying to a law enforcement officer on counts 4-7. She may still do jail time for that, sentencing on Thursday.

It is my fervent hope that when called to be on a jury people would use their brains and leave their hearts out of critical decisions of life and death.

The emotional should never enter into deciding the guilt of an individual, only the facts of the case. If there are no facts, or circumstantial evidence, there is no case.

Do I feel she did it, I have no clue as I was not on her jury. Remember the jury was sequestered for the entire trial, they did not see the TV or read the papers of have access to social media. So they had the facts of the case, while we all got conjecture and emotion.

[nowandthen]

Alina Browne
'So if you're a Black mother and you send your child to a better school district you're a criminal, but if you're a white mother and you kill your child, acquittal. Yeah, please don't even try to tell me our judicial system isn't a sham.'

[morningstar55]

in Wisconsin .. 11 yrs ago... 4 kids starved ,beaten , abused... 3 boys 1 girl. the girl was kept in a small dog cage in a cold dark basment most her life until she was 7 ...
the parents......... arrested and gvin 1 yr in jail ...

http://www.imperfectparent.com/topic...inally-speaks/

[Corkey]

And this is what I mean about the emotional part. Emotion is not fact. Do I feel for the mother who is in jail because she broke the law and tried to get her child a better education, you fucking bet I do, it doesn't change the fact she broke the law. It is the laws that need changing people.

[The_Lady_Snow]

This country's judicial system will put Men and Women of color in prison for an ounce if weed in SOME states, this woman kills her child and she gets off without nothing?

I'm not seeing how the judicial system is balanced and no I'm not leaving my emotions out a child is gone, a child who would of been a woman her value should NEVER EVER be made into nothing, ever.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by nowandthen

Alina Browne
'So if you're a Black mother and you send your child to a better school district you're a criminal, but if you're a white mother and you kill your child, acquittal. Yeah, please don't even try to tell me our judicial system isn't a sham.'

THIS SPEAKS VOLUMES!!!

[Corkey]

There is no Proof she did it! I can emote all fucking day about the child, it wont bring her back, but the woman was found not guilty.
The system is flawed, it isn't perfect, but damnit when 12 people say not guilty and they have All the evidence than not guilty it is.

[The_Lady_Snow]

12 people have also placed innocent POC in prison based on their race. Great system yippee!

[Dante]

Originally Posted by NJFemmie

That's what ultimately scares me. Based on how she conducts herself, she could have another child and this could happen again.

This is so very possible. I have known peeps that are sociopaths. They have no conscience, not capable of feelings for others, unable to control their actions. They use people for their own benefit and then discard them when not needing them anymore. I am also scared and very worried about Casey's future victims! Many people commented on facebook, and reminds us of all of the searches done on the computer. Is it possible that she was planning do kill the entire family??? Someone mentioned karma. Casey, you WILL pay. OJ is now in prison!

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

12 people have also placed innocent POC in prison based on their race. Great system yippee!

Yes they have and instead of emoting about it work to change it! There is the SPLC that works to overturn innocent peoples convictions, there is the Innocents Project. There are things that can change the system if reasonable people work to make it happen.
I will in no instance say the system is perfect, it isn't but I will not try a person in the court of public opinion.

[weatherboi]

Our system convicts innocent people all the time and guilty people go free. I accept a guilty woman went free today. Hoorah!!! i remember Susan smith, I think she said a black man carjacked her car with her kids in it. This girl tried to blame it on a latina woman. I see a pattern and this is Our judicial system .it is set up to let pretty white women go free and rich men get away with murder.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Please don't tell me how I should react to a hard situation Corkey and please don't assume I do nothing against the injustices of this country, that was pretty shitty. I'm allowed to say how I feel or what I'm thinking it's not against the TOS just the same way you can express your thoughts without question we all should be able to without having someone wag the do something about it finger at us.

Originally Posted by Corkey

Yes they have and instead of emoting about it work to change it! There is the SPLC that works to overturn innocent peoples convictions, there is the Innocents Project. There are things that can change the system if reasonable people work to make it happen.
I will in no instance say the system is perfect, it isn't but I will not try a person in the court of public opinion.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by weatherboi

Our system convicts innocent people all the time and guilty people go free. I accept a guilty woman went free today. Hoorah!!! i remember Susan smith, I think she said a black man carjacked her car with her kids in it. This girl tried to blame it on a latina woman. I see a pattern and this is Our judicial system .it is set up to let pretty white women go free and rich men get away with murder.

And rape!!!!!

[nowandthen]

Originally Posted by Corkey

And this is what I mean about the emotional part. Emotion is not fact. Do I feel for the mother who is in jail because she broke the law and tried to get her child a better education, you fucking bet I do, it doesn't change the fact she broke the law. It is the laws that need changing people.

But if that same child can play sports, those parent do not go to jail, please.... look up Jim Crow.

I was not in the jury , I respect what they did, what the eveidence and the law allowed. But this has racism all over it, the fact that we know the name of all the players, that the media coverage is sicking, yet young brown men are dying at alarming rates or are in jail, or pregnat women are handcuffed to the bed when giving birth in jail.

I did not watch any of it and yet I could not get away from it, why not do that with all the children killed reguardless of circumstance, just a thought.
These our post i made on FB
Again are the right questions being asked? How does any child end up dead at the hands of the folks who are supposed to love them. Why is it so hard for white folks to admit we as a collective are valued and benifit in all areas from a system aimed to do just that? I did not watch any of it, I am grateful I read non-normative media...
I am more sad at how this case was elevated over the hundreds of children killed everyday around the world. Yes i know this question is rhetorical I know why. Humans running to get in line made me sick, yes throughout history but I find this offensive, the spectacale seems hypocritical to find happiness or joy in any of it.

[Corkey]

Because I think something doesn't make it so. 12 people found her Not guilty. None of us were in the jury, we don't know what the evidence was, they were sequestered and only had the evidence. WE had the emotion from the reporters the court attendees and the court of public opinion. None of which are facts.

I'd hate like hell to be someone accused and have most of you on my jury.
You're right Snow I am pointing fingers. I want people to use their brains and not their emotions while on a jury. I want the guilty to be jailed and the innocent to go free. No where do I think that because I feel, should any of that happen.

And no where do I think it is fair for POC to go to jail when they are innocent.

[weatherboi]

I don't think people are emoting I think it is more like mourning. Mourning for a child forgotten. Mourning a child that will never receive justice. Reasonable doubt does not make her innocent. She just got lucky.

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by nowandthen

But if that same child can play sports, those parent do not go to jail, please.... look up Jim Crow.

I was not in the jury , I respect what they did, what the eveidence and the law allowed. But this has racism all over it, the fact that we know the name of all the players, that the media coverage is sicking, yet young brown men are dying at alarming rates or are in jail, or pregnat women are handcuffed to the bed when giving birth in jail.

I did not watch any of it and yet I could not get away from it, why not do that with all the children killed reguardless of circumstance, just a thought.
These our post i made on FB
Again are the right questions being asked? How does any child end up dead at the hands of the folks who are supposed to love them. Why is it so hard for white folks to admit we as a collective are valued and benifit in all areas from a system aimed to do just that? I did not watch any of it, I am grateful I read non-normative media...
I am more sad at how this case was elevated over the hundreds of children killed everyday around the world. Yes i know this question is rhetorical I know why. Humans running to get in line made me sick, yes throughout history but I find this offensive, the spectacale seems hypocritical to find happiness or joy in any of it.

Don't you admonish ME about Jim Crow you don't know my background! You are bringing emotion to a fact based system.