Gulf Oil Slick

[Glenn]

Folks; I've been awake all night trying to understand why our government would not accept help and take away our constitutional rights during this catastrophy. Now I'm thinking it could be because of the methane bulge on the ocean floor which can explode. Did anyone hear about this new info? I've been searching for hours. Here at http://www.astrobio.net/pressrelease...thegreat-dying is what they said methane can do in the ocean.

[Sabine Gallais]

http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/...shore?page=0,0


Sorry, but you have to subscribe to read the entire piece.

[Soon]

[Kast]

Yeah! Rachel Maddow for President! She'll get something done! Isn't she awesome?

I have to speak up, I can't watch my home country going down the crapper without speaking up to help the people understand what the hail is going on?... you realize that this 'spill' is in a media black out to the world? Well... I've witnessed many black outs, you see... there is no real 'free' press anymore - the 'main stream' media is owned by corporate America. They choose what news you've been hearing for years, yeah - it's a propaganda machine.

The more you censor the words of people the more fascist this country is going to remain. The people need to speak up now, more than ever in the history of our country, it's going to take the chains of the Constitution to unbind America or she will fall further into fascism.

There's a few pulses to what's really happening in America, on some sites with threads, if it's not too heavily monitored to shut the people up and where the people are allowed to speak, you can get better idea of what's happening - sites like Twitter and Facebook, possibly?

[MsDemeanor]

Let me get this straight.

- BP spill destroys gulf environment, wildlife, businesses, jobs, health.

- President negotiates with BP for a $20B escrow account to pay damages.

- Republicans are outraged that BP has to put up money, apologize to BP.
linkyloo

- People still actually vote for these yahoos.

Proving once again that I live in the land of the truly stupid.

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by MsDemeanor

Let me get this straight.

- BP spill destroys gulf environment, wildlife, businesses, jobs, health.

- President negotiates with BP for a $20B escrow account to pay damages.

- Republicans are outraged that BP has to put up money, apologize to BP.
linkyloo

- People still actually vote for these yahoos.

Proving once again that I live in the land of the truly stupid.

Yup, you do! We all do!

So, when will the campaign contribution lists for these GOP politicians be published with the amounts BP is contributing to them?

... right at this very moment!

When our we going to see that we MUST have publically funded elections!!! And now with the last SC ruling about corporations as individuals... we are so fucked!

Yet, the real problem lies in the culture we have created with corporate welfare and class. No way will publically funded elections happen in the US without change in cultural values and goals.

[MsDemeanor]

It seems that even Boehner and Cantor thought the comments were too much, and those two have set the bar really high...

linkyloo

[MsDemeanor]

Originally Posted by Sabine Gallais

http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/...shore?page=0,0


Sorry, but you have to subscribe to read the entire piece.

Oh well, I guess I'll never get to read about how Gore blames Obama for the Gulf of Mexico disaster. Too bad, I was really curious what that actually means. Maybe some non-pay service will pick up the news and report it. After all, if Obama personally caused the explosion, that's kinda a front-page headline.

[dreadgeek]

Originally Posted by MsDemeanor

Let me get this straight.

- BP spill destroys gulf environment, wildlife, businesses, jobs, health.

- President negotiates with BP for a $20B escrow account to pay damages.

- Republicans are outraged that BP has to put up money, apologize to BP.
linkyloo

- People still actually vote for these yahoos.

Proving once again that I live in the land of the truly stupid.

MsD:

I may not have posted this here before so I'll do it now. You see, you are laboring under the liberal delusion that sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. It isn't. Let me explain:

Let's say that a Republican is walking by a burning house and sees a child in the window. He rushes in and saves the child. That is American can-do spirit and Christian charity at its best, proving that only in America would adults rush in to save a child because only in America is life valued.

Same situation except this time it’s a Democrat. She rushes in and saves the child. That's just Democrats wanting 'big nanny state' control over the lives of ordinary Americans. Perhaps that child WANTED to be burnt to death. Perhaps the parents of that child CHOOSE to have that child burnt to death. Who is this Democrat to 'rescue' the child? At any rate, the child should have the foresight to be fireproof. You don't see ME in a window of a burning house trying to get out do you? What happened to good ol' American can-do spirit.

You see the difference? In the case of the Republican rescuing the child is an unqualified good thing. In the case of the Democrat it's just one more step on the road to tyranny.

Now, as far as the tragedy unfolding in the Gulf. How we should frame this is sensitively dependent upon the party occupying the White House. Since this is a Democratic administration, holding BP responsible is yet another step on the road to tyranny. Perhaps the people of the Gulf WANT oil on their beaches. Perhaps they want to get out of the shrimping industry. Who are a bunch of Washington bureaucrats to say that the people in these industries should have to stay in them just because they say they "want" to? At any rate, we should let the market speak. If people don't like oil on beaches they won't go to those beaches and new industries will sprout up elsewhere. Looked at through the correct (read Republican) light BP is the REAL victim here.

If a Republican were in President demanding that BP make restitution would be a show of strength of the American President and a sign that no American is going to get pushed around by some tea-sipping English elitist. But it's a Democratic President so All Real Americans (tm) should see that the mere *thought* of corporations being held responsible is something so horrific that not even Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Usama bin Laden *combined* would contemplate such a thing.

Got it?

[Kast]

Cover Up of Population Control

http://www.prisonplanet.com/msnbc-in...trol-plan.html

[dreadgeek]

Originally Posted by popcorninthesofa

Folks; I've been awake all night trying to understand why our government would not accept help and take away our constitutional rights during this catastrophy. Now I'm thinking it could be because of the methane bulge on the ocean floor which can explode. Did anyone hear about this new info? I've been searching for hours. Here at http://www.astrobio.net/pressrelease...thegreat-dying is what they said methane can do in the ocean.

Popcorn:

I'm aware of this hypothesis and, as far as it goes to explain the P/T boundary extinction event it is certainly interesting. However, I don't think that it actually relates to *this* situation. There are concerns about a rapid release of methane (which is ALSO a greenhouse gas) but not because of the oil spill. Rather, there is a lot---I mean a HUGE amount--of methane locked up in the tundra and at the bottom of the ocean. If a large enough rise in temperature were to occur then that methane would be released into the atmosphere but not explosively. It would still be a BAD DAY but it wouldn't be a P/T extinction kind of bad day. Methane is a more powerful greenhouse gas than CO_2 but that is mitigated by having a very short (10 years) half-life in atmosphere.

I'm not aware of a large amount of methanehydrate at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico (full disclosure, I am NOT an oceanographer) and could not find anything to suggest that there is one. Whatever incompetencies and/or willful blindness on the part of our government regarding this disaster, I am fairly confident that fears of a P/T style extinction isn't one of them. I say this for two reasons--firstly, that kind of mass extinction is vanishingly improbable (while still having a probability that is not identical to zero) and is not likely to be triggered by THIS disaster. Secondly, there is a far more serious threat that we know, for a fact, has caused at least one mass extinction in the last 100 million years and our government is putting scant resources into either detecting the threat or planning what to do if (when?) that threat appears. I'm talking, of course, about large asteroids that are on orbits that might bring them perilously close to the Earth. (That said, a new large telescope has just gone online in Hawaii and it will be dedicated--at least part of the time--to detecting 'killer' asteroids.)

Thirdly, there are some things that if they happen we just can't do anything about. An asteroid we *might* be able to handle but if a very large pocket of methane is going to explode, it will happen without warning and if it's serious enough to cause a P/T scale extinction there's nothing we can do about it. The other one is a gamma-ray burst from an inconveniently near supernova. One of those would make for a VERY BAD DAY hear on Earth and we wouldn't know about it until it happened since the signal that it had happened would be the light from the supernova itself which would, of course, have gamma-rays as part of it.

I would't stay up worrying about the methane.

Cheers
Aj

[dreadgeek]

Originally Posted by Kam

Cover Up of Population Control

http://www.prisonplanet.com/msnbc-in...trol-plan.html

Ummm....I don't even know where to begin. I think I'll start here:

"During a recent TED conference, an organization which is sponsored by one of the largest toxic waste polluters on the planet, Gates told the audience that vaccines need to be used to reduce world population figures in order to solve global warming and lower CO2 emissions to almost zero."

This is NOT what Bill Gates said. What's more, the author, Watson, is wrong when he states that vaccines, reproductive health services and improved health care wouldn't have a *downward* pressure on population growth. In fact, it would have a downward pressure for a very straightforward reason--the fewer babies that die in infancy or early childhood, the fewer children women tend to have. Unless you are from a Mormon or conservative Catholic family, chances are your number of siblings is some number under 6. However, go back to generations born in the late 19th or early 20th century and that number will jump to 10 or more. My mother came from a family of 13! siblings. No member of her family had more than four kids. What was different? The 20th century improvement in medicine and public health.

The fact that both the main Prison Planet web site and the article (which is the ONLY reference to Bill Gate's statement about using vaccines to reduce population) use a howler of a statement and fail to link to the *full text* of Bill Gate's TED talk makes them suspect.

There is a great deal of non-trivial difference between trying to get to zero (or better yet, negative) population growth and an 80 to 90% die off.

Cheers
Aj

[Glenn]

Appreciated your opinion AJ. I think what Kam meant was that without oil or some other cheap energy source, there would be no way to sustain the population we have now. The math does'nt add up. Population was steady for many centuries before the industrial revolution when it peaked.

[Kast]

I am a medical science researcher, I cannot tell you everything I know to be true - other than to let you know, this is what I do. I am currently researching the air, water, and rain water here, which I did the same in the South in America and have identified pathogens that are experimental in nature that came from the Gulf of Mexico - Mexico Beach/St. Joe, FL area. This is where Tyndall is, right where the oil spill is encroaching presently. I highly recommend that people in the surround States to the Gulf start thinking about moving out of the area, when the first storms come - they will be carrying very acidic/pathogenic rains. There is a YouTube out today and I totally agree with what they are saying:

MOVE OUT OF THE SOUTHERN STATES you are going to get sick

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvXd49G3daQ"]YouTube- oil spill - MOVE OUT OF THE SOUTHERN STATES you are going to get sick[/nomedia]

[Glenn]

Not to mention the fires everywhere...Oh but then again BP is taking care of it so we should be safe.

[Toughy]

Originally Posted by Kam

I am a medical science researcher, I cannot tell you everything I know to be true - other than to let you know, this is what I do. I am currently researching the air, water, and rain water here, which I did the same in the South in America and have identified pathogens that are experimental in nature that came from the Gulf of Mexico - Mexico Beach/St. Joe, FL area. This is where Tyndall is, right where the oil spill is encroaching presently. I highly recommend that people in the surround States to the Gulf start thinking about moving out of the area, when the first storms come - they will be carrying very acidic/pathogenic rains. There is a YouTube out today and I totally agree with what they are saying:

MOVE OUT OF THE SOUTHERN STATES you are going to get sick

YouTube- oil spill - MOVE OUT OF THE SOUTHERN STATES you are going to get sick

A medical scientist researching air, water and rain water; care to be a bit more specific?

What pathogens? I have background in microbiology, virology and parasitology, so I would prefer details and specificity.

What does Tyndall Air Force Base (I assume that's what you mean by Tyndall) located near Panama City have to do with anything?

I would agree that, depending on the hurricane season, there is legitimate concern about what those storms will do in terms of washing more of that toxic goo to shore and what it means if any of that toxic goo gets caught up in the wind, rain and storm surge of any size hurricane.

I would agree there is a real problem with those folks cleaning up this goo on the shore not having appropriate safety gear. There will be and already are health consequences.

With all the conflicting reports from many sources, it's hard to figure out who is in charge when it comes to the press having access and what is staged and what is accurate.

The longer that well head spews oil, mud and gas the worse the scenario gets.

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popcorn.........

you can't be serious about some conspiracy between Obama and BP to have a 'little leak' for whatever reason.......really you can't believe that.......it's, frankly, a ludicrous idea.

I assume the fires you are talking about is BP intentionally setting some areas of surface oil on fire. They have been doing that off and on since the beginning. It is a common practice across the world. I'm not sure what you mean by 'fires everywhere'......could you explain a bit more?

[AtLast]

At this point, I am not confident with much from anyone about the ramifications of this spill. Not BP, not the government, not even scientists. We put so little into scientific investigation in the US, I don't believe that have even had a chance to do sound research in the techniques available to deal with this. Also, science is bought and paid for in this country every single day and politically impure.

[Kast]

Here's one thing that's needed - skimmers, except the U.S. has an environmental ban on them, the Dutch have been on standby since early May.

Ask your Congressman to get the environmental ban lifted on the Dutch skimmers

http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/du...s-oil-disaster

[Toughy]

http://www.examiner.com/x-325-Global...y-oil-skimmers

headline:

U.S. reconsiders Dutch offer to supply oil skimmers

please note: I do not believe ANY oil should be drilled for in the ocean at any depth.

[Kast]

http://medicalmuckraker.wordpress.co...gain/#more-368

"Said one EPA employee: “Anything that could look bad to the press isn’t being done. We’re completely ignoring the biggest environmental disaster ever in the U.S.”"

Did they really say this, why would they say this?