Ebola, news and discussion

[TruTexan]

The latest in Dallas news reports that there will be a Congressional hearing set to investigate he how's and why's of the issues with the spread of Ebola with the Hospital Person in charge and the CDC's Dr. Friedman.

They also transported the newest nurse that's become ill with Ebola to Atlanta to be treated there in a biocontainment hospital that's already been in place. But the thing is, she called the CDC with a low grade fever the day she flew, she had 99.5 degree fever, and asked if she could still fly or not, and someone from the CDC told her she could. This will be investigated as well. She should NOT have flown knowing the protocol for a highly contagious disease exposure that she had, she just should have stayed home, so she not only exposed her family, friends, and fiance, but the innocent other people on the same return flight back to Dallas and on to other areas from there.
There was over 100 people she exposed herself to when she flew, and some have called the CDC and have stated to News here in Dallas that they haven't gotten an answer yet, and there is at least 1 child that was exposed on that flight and now the child and their family are in quarantine. There are several others in the Belton Tx ISD that have been on that flight and the school district there have told the parents to keep their kids home for 21 days, as well as some employers telling employees not to come into work to remain off until the 21 days of waiting period is over for watching for signs and symptoms of Ebola. It seems to me that the CDC dropped the ball when someone there told the nurse she could still fly and so the list continues to grow for exposure. They decontaminated the plane supposedly, a couple of times, but they still used it for several other flights afterwards until the CDC and Frontier Airlines worked together to Ground that plane.

There will be discussion tonight about a decision to send the 1st nurse ill with Ebola to Atlanta as well. They will make that decision known by morning is what the news has said.

A Judge in Dallas is going to get a court to order for a no fly, no public transportation and limit public venues for those remainders of individuals in Dallas and surrounding areas to stop the spread through limited contact with the public as much as possible.
Governor Rick Perry is supposed to Declare a State of Emergency for Texas because of the Ebola outbreak. I haven't seen anything on the news from him though, we'll see tomorrow.

An interview over the phone with the National Union Rep. for Nursing claims that nurses from Texas Presbytarian Hospital, where Duncan 1st went and returned to with Ebola diagnosis the 2nd time, are saying Nurses have told them that there were NO PROTOCOLS, that nurses were left to figure out for themselves how to treat this patient and they had limited PPE type equipment in order to treat this patient with the deadly disease. They've also reported that nurses that had taken care of him, were told to resume other nursing duties with patients and have exposed those patients to Ebola because they(nurses) themselves were exposed to it. They also stated that Duncan was left in a room with other patients while he was sick, for around 5 hours before they even decided to isolate him.

I don't take any of this lightly, but I sure as heck don't think these nurses would be lying about all this to get attention. I think they are trying to anonymously whistle blow this situation and that it's going to come out in the end.

I feel for everyone involved that's been exposed and I wish them well and pray that they don't succumb to this deadly dreaded disease.
I pray for the nursing staff that's tested positive as well.

I don't think this will be over for while , there are too many that have been exposed already: more than 100 on the planes from Vinson's flight to Ohio and to Texas, more than 75 hospital personnel with Duncan and both Nurses that are out self monitoring on paid leave from the hospital, 48 in direct contact with Duncan, 1 direct contact(pham's boyfriend) from Pham, 3 direct contacts with Vinsonin Cleveland(her fiance and family members/friends).
This is just too much exposure for it to be over before it even starts to get bad. The CDC is trying to track down all passengers on the flights she took and has asked that if any of them took certain flights, to please come forward and call the CDC.

I think it was a wise decision on CDC's part to send Vinson to Atlanta to be treated there because certainly shows that the hospital in Dallas doesn't know what it's doing and wants to say it does, yet exposure happened and they haven't contained it. It is wise to limit personnel to treat Ebola patients in a facility suited for taking care of Ebola patients.


ETA .... this is one HUGE chain reaction of a failed system and the outcome is only going to get worse before it gets better.

[EnchantedNightDweller]

As I listen to spokesman from the CDC and government reassure us that it is extremely difficult to contract Ebola, I'm watching people in Hazmat suits cleaning out apartments, schools being shut down, a plane being disinfected, and states of emergency being declared in Dallas County. Is it just me or do these official's words and actions not match?

[DapperButch]

Originally Posted by TruTexan

They also transported the newest nurse that's become ill with Ebola to Atlanta to be treated there in a biocontainment hospital that's already been in place. But the thing is, she called the CDC with a low grade fever the day she flew, she had 99.5 degree fever, and asked if she could still fly or not, and someone from the CDC told her she could.

I just wanted to highlight this, as I think it is significant. I saw this last night on Maddow and actually popped on the thread to pass along this information.

[*Anya*]

Many American hospitals have improperly trained their staffs to deal with Ebola patients because they were following federal guidelines that were too lax, infection control experts said on Wednesday.

Federal health officials effectively acknowledged the problems with their procedures for protecting health care workers by abruptly changing them. At 8 p.m. Tuesday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued stricter guidelines for American hospitals with Ebola patients.

They are now closer to the procedures of Doctors Without Borders, which has decades of experience in fighting Ebola in Africa. In issuing the new guidelines, the C.D.C. acknowledged that its experts had learned by working alongside that medical charity.

The agency’s new voluntary guidelines include full-body suits covering the head and neck, supervision of the risky process of taking off protective gear, and the use of hand disinfectant as each item is removed.

Sean G. Kaufman, who oversaw infection control at Emory University Hospital while it treated Dr. Kent Brantly and Nancy Writebol, the first two American Ebola patients, called the earlier C.D.C. guidelines “absolutely irresponsible and dead wrong.”


Speaking by phone from Liberia, where he was training workers for Samaritan’s Purse, the medical charity that Dr. Brantly and Ms. Writebol worked for, Mr. Kaufman said he had warned the agency as recently as a week ago that its guidelines were lax.

“They kind of blew me off,” he said. “I’m happy to see they’re changing them, but it’s late.”

Melissa Brower, a C.D.C. spokeswoman, said the agency was “taking a hard look at our recommendations and may be making changes.”

Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, the director of the C.D.C., expressed regret about his agency’s initial response to the first Ebola case in Dallas.

“In retrospect, with 20/20 hindsight,” he said a few hours before his agency tightened its guidelines, “we could have sent a more robust hospital infection control team and been more hands-on with the hospital from Day 1.”

Some major hospitals, aware of the inadequacy of the older C.D.C. guidelines, have followed more stringent standards in training their staff. But many — including Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas, where two nurses were infected by a dying patient — have not.

The Doctors Without Borders guidelines are even stricter than the new C.D.C. directives in that they require full coverage of the torso, head and legs with fabrics that blood or vomit cannot soak through, along with rubber aprons, goggles or face shields, sealed wrists and rubber boots. Doctors and nurses wear two sets of gloves, including long outer ones that strap or are taped to the gown; janitors wear three sets.

As they undress in choreographed steps, Doctors Without Borders workers wash their hands with chlorine solution eight times and are sprayed with a chlorine mist. Most important, all personnel disrobe only under the eyes of a supervisor whose job is to prevent even a single misstep.

Risky procedures like blood sampling are kept to a minimum.

“I’ve seen the C.D.C. poster,” said a Doctors Without Borders representative who spoke on the condition of anonymity because she did not want to be named criticizing the agency, and who was referring to C.D.C. guidelines before they were changed on Tuesday. “It doesn’t say anywhere that it’s for Ebola. I was surprised that it was only one set of gloves, and the rest bare hands. It seems to be for general cases of infectious disease.”

National Nurses United, the country’s largest union and professional association of nurses, with 185,000 members, criticized the C.D.C. on Wednesday for taking so long. Worse, the union said, many hospitals ignored even the lax guidelines because they were voluntary.

For example, the union said, nurses at the Texas hospital complained that the protective gear the hospital issued left their necks exposed — and they were told to wrap their necks with medical tape.

“They were learning infection control on the fly,” said DeAnn McEwen, chief of infection control for the union. “That’s no substitute for planning.”

Nurses United called for federal and state laws making C.D.C. guidelines mandatory.

Changes to Ebola Protection Worn by U.S. Hospital Workers
Officials from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced changes Tuesday to existing federal guidelines for the gear worn by hospital workers caring for patients with Ebola. Some hospitals already had more stringent protections in place.

While Dr. Frieden has been criticized for arguing that almost any American hospital can handle Ebola patients and critics have demanded that all Ebola patients go to special isolation units, that debate is somewhat misguided, experts said.

The isolation units — which have filtered air, double doors and negative pressure — were built to prevent the spread of airborne diseases like SARS and tuberculosis.

The greater Ebola danger is large amounts of blood, vomit or diarrhea splashing caregivers. That is prevented by training, proper protective gear, rigorous cleaning and close supervision, specialists said.

Ebola victims resemble cholera victims in some ways.

In Bangladesh, which trains doctors all over the world in cholera treatment, hospitals do not place cholera patients on padded mattresses with bedpans. They usually lie on rubber sheets stretched across bed frames with holes cut so diarrhea can run out into buckets.

Doctors Without Borders personnel place buckets or chamber pots under patients. Its protocols require cleaning pools of fluid not by mopping, but by spraying them with chlorine and then throwing large absorbent cloths over them. Like doctors, janitors work in pairs, watching over each other.

All infected materials are immediately burned, sometimes in a field right behind the hospital. Reusable rubber items like aprons and boots are cleaned with detergent and bleach. One important Doctors Without Borders step — chlorine sprays — could be dangerous inside hospitals because it would make corridors slippery.

A step considered vital — which the new C.D.C. guidelines now include — is having a sharp-eyed “site supervisor” constantly watching for errors.

“The buddy system works for getting dressed, but not for getting undressed,” said Dr. William Fisher II, a critical care specialist from the University of North Carolina who worked in a Doctors Without Borders center in Guinea this summer and said he was now designing training for the C.D.C.

Doctors go into wards feeling fresh, he explained. But they emerge an hour later exhausted, sweating and sometimes shaking from a close call, like one he had when a patient grabbed his mask.

In the exit area, he said, “there was someone in charge whose sole focus was helping you get undressed safely.”

“You stood in front of them and did nothing until they said so,” he said. “They didn’t care if it was your first time or your 800th time. I was exhausted and emotionally drained. I looked forward to it.”

Initial Doctors Without Borders training takes two to five days, followed by three to six weeks of supervised work.

The nurses’ group, which is unfamiliar with those protocols, sent a letter to the White House on Wednesday demanding the adoption of the standards used by the University of Nebraska Medical Center with some enhancements.

That hospital is a designated isolation center, and its guidelines resemble those of Doctors Without Borders in some ways. A recent update to them called for head and neck hoods and the wiping of rubber clogs with bleach. The nurses’ union also demanded hazardous materials suits and powered air-purifying respirators.

Those can be cumbersome and claustrophobic, and the Nebraska guidelines treat them as recommended, not as standard.

A version of this article appears in print on October 16, 2014, on page A18 of the New York edition with the headline: Lax U.S. Guidelines on Ebola Led to Poor Hospital Training, Experts Say. Order Reprints|Today's Paper|Subscribe

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/16/us...-say.html?_r=0

[Kobi]

I know people are really concerned about this issue. And, it isnt an easy one.

I do think we need to understand this is a process of adapting what works in the field in West Africa and what is going to fly in the American health system. Supportive care in other places is not the same as what Americans expect of supportive care in the USA.

Doctors without Borders and other such groups, as stated in Anyas post, do things or dont do things that work for them. Using a stretched plastic sheet, rather than a mattress, with the bum cut out so bodily fluids can go directly in a bucket spares health workers from exposure. Limiting of blood draws works for them. Doctors without Borders also refuse to do invasive procedures i.e. they do not ventilate people having respiratory problems, they do not do hemodialysis, they will not even operate on pregnant women because of the risk of exposure to body fluids. Ebola crisis puts pressure on human rights.

How do you think that will fly in the USA? Will patients, their families, the politicians, the media, health care providers, and risk management insurers be ok with people laying on plastic sheets with the bum cut out so they can poop and pee in a bucket? Will we be ok not intubating people who are struggling to breathe? Will we be ok not using dialysis when kidneys are failing? Are we ok with using IV's as long as we have viable veins and letting it go when we dont....or are we going to insist on central lines? Do we insist on doing everything possible and using all available technology even in the face of inevitable death? Yeah, we do and it has nothing to do with ebola.

Do Americans like being told to voluntarily quarantine themselves? Apparently not. Do Americans like being inconvenienced in any way? Hell no. Do Americans comply when told not to do things which risk exposure to other people? Seriously, we are too self centered for that.

Were mistakes made when ebola arrived in Texas? Yes. Big ones it seems. Are changes being made to adjust to the emerging reality? Yes. Big ones it seems. Are dedicated centers better equipped to deal with the overall care of people with ebola. Yes. Does this absolve local health care centers from being able to diagnose, quarantine, and provide initial care? No.

This is a process. It requires patience.

[TruTexan]

Just on the Dallas Breaking News( interruption of tv's ABC World news),

Ebola Patient Nina Pham, the 1st nurse infected, is going to Maryland Hospital for treatment. She will land in Bethesda Maryland from Dallas Love Field, and is in the ambulance on the way to the airport.

On other news, a Presbytarian Hospital Nurse being monitored for symptoms, in Dallas, where Duncan was treated is making claims in public as a nurse whistleblower to ABC World News, that there was chaos among the healthcare staff at the hospital and no training for Ebola safety and that the PPE provided by the hospital, left the nursing staff's necks exposed.
ABC World News has also reported that the 2nd nurse( Vinson) had symptoms of illness the day she first flew from Dallas to Cleveland, Ohio, so the CDC is trying to track down all the people she came into contact with during that first flight on Frontier Airlines and other people she came into contact with like the wedding planners and stores she may have gone to while in Cleveland, OH.

There is an abundance of cautionary steps being taken to try to stop the chain of events that could happen from exposure to the public, so it may seem that we are not getting all the information from the news in a timely manner. There is so much going on that they are scrambling to do and learning to do that we as a public feel like they aren't telling us everything.
I think they are telling us as much as they can as soon as they find out what is going on, for how long, who's sick, what training is happening to prepare for this better, etc.
This is certainly a learning process for our healthcare system from the mistakes made by the Hospital in Dallas, and from the CDC in the US. I just hope they can correct and learn from the mistakes made so that no more mistakes are made in the future. I hope they are ACTING on those mistakes to correct everything.

There is a lack of confidence in the system right now from the public and a lot of fear.

[pamela]

there is no need to worry about Ebola just yet. nature will find a way to get to us

[BrutalDaddy]

I do not consider myself a hysterical or paranoid person (at least not when it comes to diseases and things of that nature, now spiders? that's a whole 'nother story), but I do consider myself a worrier and very cautious.

If I were living and working at home, the worry and cautious part of me wouldn't be getting ramped up little by little with each passing day. However my job has me traveling to nearly every state within our country. There are times I literally go through three to four states in a day. Usually making stops in each for bathroom and eating purposes.

Hell, when ebola was first discovered in Dallas, I had JUST left the city three days prior. Only to find myself back there for, in and out, three days. I come into contact with tons of people every single day. That in itself isn't a big deal except for the fact that (and I hate to say this but it's true) a lot of these folks don't use daily, proper hygiene. I've seen it over and over. Don't wash their hands, cough without covering their mouths or sneeze really hard then wipe their hand on the counter as they're waiting in line in front of me. I've even seen them pick their noses then wipe whatever they find on the closest surface they can find.

It's things like above that cause me to worry and be hyper vigilant in my own sanitizing. So when a new case pops up and then it's out that one of those cases happened to fly with a bunch of people while having symptoms, it really does worry me. All it would take is for ONE over the road driver, like myself, to get it and that will be a bad, bad deal.

All I can do for now is sanitize my shoes before I enter my truck (yes, I do this and yes I get looks. Frankly I don't give a fuck) and wipe my hands down with bleach. Sure my truck smells like a janitor's closet but I'd rather be hyper vigilant/cautious/worried then end up with something that could do serious harm to myself or my family.

If that makes me a paranoid and/or a hysterical guy, that's okay. I'm cool with that. But until the government gets it's shit together and starts educating people, mass panic/hysteria will set in. Education is the KEY. Without it, no one knows what the fuck to do to stay safe and healthy.

Just My Opinion,
Brute.

[cricket26]

so i did not sleep well last nite...i kept thinking about the possible declaration of emergency...i would not even let my daughter drop her dog off to be "fixed" at the vet because the vet is 3 miles from presby...and i was afraid the dog would be stuck at the vet for 21 days....


well there was no declaration of emergency...but we have finally come to the conclusion that dallas is not the best place to treat this devastating disease, patients are being transported to 2 of the only 4 hospitals designed to handle this deadly disease...patient number 1 is going to maryland and patient number 2 is going to georgia....


for now self monitoring of the family of patient zero, healthcare workers at presby, passengers of flight 1143, and several school closings due to children being on frontier flight 1143....and prayers for the two nurses being treated...

[TruTexan]

On the news tonight there have been several Texas schools that closed due to children that flew on the same plane as Nurse 2, so they can sanitize the schools and they've asked that the students remain home for 21days to be monitored at home. There are several businesses, including a military employer in Killeen, Tx where Ft. Hood is located, that asked a male employee to stay home for 21 days to self monitor, and other businesses are doing the same ...asking those employees that flew on same flights as Nurse 2, to remain at home with their families and children for self monitoring. We even have people that were on those flights with Nurse 2 that have notified employers they are staying home voluntarily, and keeping their kids out of schools to self monitor for 21 days so as not to spread the disease should it rear it's ugly head.
More and more people are coming forward and doing this on their own, they aren't taking public transportation or going to schools or working because they are monitoring themselves voluntarily. I find this very courageous for people to step up to the plate and do this just in case they become ill due to exposure from Nurse 2 and not wanting to infect others. Maybe it's them being panicky maybe not, we'll see if anyone else pops up with symptoms being reported from those flights.

I also feel for the Nurse that became a whistle blower at Texas Presbytarian Hospital, she too is keeping her children at home with her and monitoring herself and her children for fever every half hour. She's scared and afraid for a lot of reasons, she knows both nurses and worked at the hospital during the time frame of the first patient, she is on the list of the 75 healthcare workers that are off work with pay as they self monitor themselves for symptoms of Ebola. She's brave to come forward and risk her job and being black balled from nursing to speak out against the hospital and it's lack of training, chaos during Duncan's stay, and Lack of correct PPE for nurses.


As I said before, and I'll say it again, there's bound to be more people getting sick, I hope and pray not, but there's bound to be due to the way things were handled in the first place. The worst has yet to come and it's not over til it's over for all of them.

My prayers are with the hospital workers exposed, the families that may have been exposed , friends of family members exposed, and all those in Africa and other countries fighting this deadly disease. My heart goes out to all of them.

ETA: so far as of today, there is not anyone that is being monitored or self monitoring that has come forward with symptoms of Ebola, and I hope it continues to remain this way.

[Kobi]

Texas health worker isolated on cruise ship over possible Ebola contact


I fear not Ebola. I fear the inane stupidity of human beings.

[MsTinkerbelly]

Originally Posted by Kobi

Texas health worker isolated on cruise ship over possible Ebola contact


I fear not Ebola. I fear the inane stupidity of human beings.

My thoughts exactly! We are a nation that thinks the rules apply to everyone but us.

[Kobi]

Originally Posted by MsTinkerbelly

My thoughts exactly! We are a nation that thinks the rules apply to everyone but us.

I wish the health care workers in Texas would realize these behaviors are undermining their own credibility. It makes it look like they do not have a clue what quarantine means, or what not using public transportation or being in public places means, and it makes their ability to follow "protocol" highly suspect.

Yesterday, Texas officials had folks in quarantine sign "compliance" agreements with penalties for not following thru. Apparently, that may not be enough. Be interesting to see what the Texas response will be.

[Kelt]

I was glad to see this article form the BBC detailing how a country with resources properly applied, can overcome this.

*********************

Summary from eboladeeply.org

Nigeria and Senegal Cited as Success Stories in Containing Ebola

Nigeria and Senegal could be declared officially free of Ebola within a few days, the BBC reports, as both countries near a period of 42 days without any new cases. As of Friday morning, Senegal was on the brink of being declared Ebola-free . The World Health Organization (WHO) called Nigeria’s successful contact tracing “a piece of world-class epidemiological detective work.” The 42-day period is twice the generally accepted maximum incubation period of the virus.

I think it demonstrates the efficacy of awareness over panic.

[*Anya*]

For me, personally, it is not that I fear Ebola. I fear the infection control practices of hospitals (or lack thereof), I fear the lack of honesty of the CDC and I fear, in general, the lack of of a cohesive, proactive, response to any health crisis in our country.

I have experienced this failure, personally. This is not some abstract concept for me.

Two years ago, as I have written previously in the Listening-to-each other thread- I went into the hospital for gynecological surgery, early in the AM. Before the end of the day, I had a temperature that was sky-high and a case of hospital-acquired Clostridium difficile (C-Dif). I was profoundly ill, wound up in CCU and a 11-12 day hospital stay.

It wasn't finished there. On discharge, among other issues, I had 3-4 relapses of C-Dif between March and September 2012. I had to go back on vancomycin antibiotic (cost of $2,800.00 for each course of treatment) and one episode of kidney infection before stabilizing.

Then, in July of this year, I had a squamous cell cancer removed from my leg in a dermatology out-patient office. Within 3 days, I had methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) in the wound (which was tightly covered with Tegaderm).

This took a month to heal, with a couple of rounds of antibiotics. I went to a university hospital infectious disease specialist who confirmed that I was not a carrier, i.e., I did not have MRSA when I went to the doctor in the first place.

I am an RN. I have worked in hospitals. I went into the hospital with the most positive attitude. An expectation that I would contract C-Dif did not enter my consciousness. I did not even consider that I might get MRSA. I have other minor surgical procedures with no negative outcomes.

I don't only post my personal opinion in this thread. I look for legitimate studies, journals, WHO and CDC's own published information. Jesse's link for EbolaDeeply.org was an excellent source of information, too.

Facts for all of us-both negative and positive are critical. Personal experiences are no less important. They show us that we must be alert, educated and knowledgable, to keep ourselves and those that we love as healthy and safe as we possibly can.

http://www.hospitalinfection.org/essentialfacts.shtml

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwr...cid=mm6309a4_w

[TruTexan]

Anya,
I wanted to personally thank you for sharing your opinions in this thread, I sorta picked up on your knowledge and lingo that you might have been in healthcare and have some real life experience in that field. I appreciate all the links you have given and the efforts you have made to make this thread be more complete in knowledge awareness.

I also want to thank those members here that are participating and giving more links with information.

I too am skeptical of the information we are receiving in the Local News here out of Dallas and the CDC. It seems they are running behind telling us more information. There was NOTHING on the 12'oclock news today of the Texas Presbytarian Healthcare worker that boarded a cruise ship and is now isolated and the ship is headed back to the US.

It is Beyond my own comprehension how these healthcare workers are taking slight in that they are being monitored for symptoms of Ebola and are just plane IGNORANT and are taking Public Transportation during their time of self monitoring. It makes me wonder what schools are releasing such idiots into the healthcare field.

I'm too an not so much afraid of the Virus itself, but the lack of concern and proper treatment handling by the Texas Healthcare system in Dallas.

I live only an hour from Dallas in a small town.

ETA: It just amazes me that the CDC HAS TO tell those healthcare workers to STAY OUT OF PUBLIC GATHERINGS, STAY OFF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, And NOT TO CONGREGATE IN PUBLIC VENUES. You would certainly THINK that they would have COMMON SENSE NOT TO DO THOSE THINGS because of the Field of work they are in and that the potential risks of EXPOSURE they have had to an EBOLA patient would be first and foremost on their minds and that common sense would kick in. Apparently the ones trying to travel just don't have any common sense or concern for others around them. I say lock their asses up in isolation until they "GET IT" in their thick heads and are passed the time of symptoms that would occur if they were infected. I"m just shaking my damn head here in awe of their stupidity.

[MsTinkerbelly]

Originally Posted by Kelt

I was glad to see this article form the BBC detailing how a country with resources properly applied, can overcome this.

*********************

Summary from eboladeeply.org

Nigeria and Senegal Cited as Success Stories in Containing Ebola

Nigeria and Senegal could be declared officially free of Ebola within a few days, the BBC reports, as both countries near a period of 42 days without any new cases. As of Friday morning, Senegal was on the brink of being declared Ebola-free . The World Health Organization (WHO) called Nigeria’s successful contact

tracing “a piece of world-class epidemiological detective work.” The 42-day period is twice the generally accepted maximum incubation period of the virus.

I think it demonstrates the efficacy of awareness over panic.

I think awareness over panic is the ideal, BUT we live in a country where people get on airplanes, cruise ships and God knows what else, WHILE SELF-MONITORING FOR EBOLA!!!!

See, i have no faith in hospitals...besides the horrors Anya spoke of from personal experience, my mother got c-diff while fighting for her life in the hospital, and finally gave up hope and stopped dialysis. I have had to be in the hospital 5x since she passed, and each time i wondered what i would catch while there. I have to DEMAND that nurses and DOCTORS wash their hands before touching me. Yes, i will admit Ebola terrifies me, and i don't apologize for that.

Ebola cannot be minimized, because the people will not take it seriously IMO.

Let's hear it for some loooonnngggg overdue panic if it makes our government finally do something to help end this world crisis.

[Kelt]

Okay, a couple of things, the nurse who got on the plane checked with the CDC first and was given a green light. Poor judgement on the part of the CDC, not the nurse who sought counsel. The healthcare worker who got on a cruise ship did so before self monitoring went into effect, had no patient contact, and started self monitoring voluntarily as soon as the guidelines were known.

It’s already been established that bugs get around in hospitals and new precautions are going into place as we speak that may be of future benefit in all infectious situations.

Yes, Ebola is a scary virus and I for one am glad I am in the US and not West Africa. I know that my voice as an individual is not likely to be heard but I can also see lots of action on the part of congress who for better or worse are our elected representatives.

I am also glad that the CDC is scrambling to keep up, it would be nice if everything had been perfect upfront. The alternative would have them standing firm on ineffective policies. I say yay for flexibility and updating protocols on the fly to stay on top of changes as they arise.

I was only trying to show that in some places with resources it is possible to stop the spread after it has begun and that it is being done. Certainly not trying to minimize anything.

If the point of this thread/conversation is to encourage panic by highlighting media hype, then so be it, it’s your thread go for it.

[MsTinkerbelly]

Originally Posted by Kelt

Okay, a couple of things, the nurse who got on the plane checked with the CDC first and was given a green light. Poor judgement on the part of the CDC, not the nurse who sought counsel. The healthcare worker who got on a cruise ship did so before self monitoring went into effect, had no patient contact, and started self monitoring voluntarily as soon as the guidelines were known.

It’s already been established that bugs get around in hospitals and new precautions are going into place as we speak that may be of future benefit in all infectious situations.

Yes, Ebola is a scary virus and I for one am glad I am in the US and not West Africa. I know that my voice as an individual is not likely to be heard but I can also see lots of action on the part of congress who for better or worse are our elected representatives.

I am also glad that the CDC is scrambling to keep up, it would be nice if everything had been perfect upfront. The alternative would have them standing firm on ineffective policies. I say yay for flexibility and updating protocols on the fly to stay on top of changes as they arise.

I was only trying to show that in some places with resources it is possible to stop the spread after it has begun and that it is being done. Certainly not
trying to minimize anything.

If the point of this thread/conversation is to encourage panic by highlighting media hype, then so be it, it’s your thread go for it.

Wow, seriously?

Your opinion is welcome here, or anywhere you choose to be. BUT, so is mine. Open dialog/other opinions/debate is a great way to get to know information and other view points.

If you want everyone to agree with you, sorry, not my thing. If you want to fuss and argue your point, here i am.

Peace

[TruTexan]

Originally Posted by MsTinkerbelly

Wow, seriously?

Your opinion is welcome here, or anywhere you choose to be. BUT, so is mine. Open dialog/other opinions/debate is a great way to get to know information and other view points.

If you want everyone to agree with you, sorry, not my thing. If you want to fuss and argue your point, here i am.

Peace

that's what I was thinking...... Wow Seriously?
Who said anything to Kelt ? I haven't seen anything in this thread about anything Kelt has been putting in here. I've read the things Kelt has put up for links and I've welcomed input, even thanked everyone for those things. I don't know what made Kelt feel this way,,,,,,geeze


As for me putting in Media relays, I'm putting those in from Dallas area, and just talking about what they are saying.

And for one thing, that damn hospital rep keeps saying if Duncan had walked in holding a damn sign saying that he had Ebola, they were prepared, and and they are still prepared........I CALL THAT BULLSHIT, look at what happened there already. Is this dude serious? He's a knuckle head.