Happy Indigenous Peoples Day! - Page 2

Okiebug61 · 10-12-2011, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Corkey

This isn't about Jackson, yes he did some crappy stuff, the man raped and pillaged and was well thought of, until he wasn't. The government didn't give him his own day for genocide unlike the killer from Spain. Our government to this day will not recognize that it is propagating lies about how this country was "found". It was "found" roughly 30-40 thousand years ago, but the white man didn't know of it so you know history wasn't history because europeans were clueless.

No they didn't give him a day they put him on our currency for all to see. I really do not see the difference over all, both are being celebrated which is not cool with me.

Corkey · 10-12-2011, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Okiebug61

No they didn't give him a day they put him on our currency for all to see. I really do not see the difference over all, both are being celebrated which is not cool with me.

Using currency isn't the same as celebrating. Good grief, one is a must no matter the other is a friggen choice.

Okiebug61 · 10-12-2011, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Corkey

Using currency isn't the same as celebrating. Good grief, one is a must no matter the other is a friggen choice.

What is a must? My bank was open on Columbus Day, our schools were open on Columbus day. I still can't get a $20.00 bill without Jackson's face on it. I didn't celebrate and I make a choice not to carry $20.00 bills.

If you are this upset about Columbus Day being a recognized federal holiday start a petition, I'll be glad to sign it.

Corkey · 10-12-2011, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Okiebug61

What is a must? My bank was open on Columbus Day, our schools were open on Columbus day. I still can't get a $20.00 bill without Jackson's face on it. I didn't celebrate and I make a choice not to carry $20.00 bills.

If you are this upset about Columbus Day being a recognized federal holiday start a petition, I'll be glad to sign it.

If you want to talk about Jackson, start a thread about it and please stop hijacking this one.

Okiebug61 · 10-12-2011, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Corkey

If you want to talk about Jackson, start a thread about it and please stop hijacking this one.

Not a problem Corkey!

Corkey · 10-12-2011, 03:22 PM

Again this thread is to celebrate Indigenous People. Thoughts on this subject are more than welcome.

Okiebug61 · 10-12-2011, 03:41 PM

Here you go!

http://newsfornatives.com/blog/national-native-holiday/

Corkey · 10-12-2011, 03:46 PM

First, where did this come from, and secondly it contains racial speech that is at best derogatory and at worst racist.

Okiebug61 · 10-12-2011, 03:46 PM

Letter to my Senator,

Dear Senator Inhofe,

I am writing to ask why we celebrate "Columbus Day" as a Federal Holiday?

There is overwhelming information that provides us a history of violence against the "Native Americans".

I ask you as my representative to please look into this and let me know why my tax dollars are used to provide you and all other Federal employees a payed day off.

Thank You,

Okiebug61 · 10-12-2011, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Corkey

First, where did this come from, and secondly it contains racial speech that is at best derogatory and at worst racist.

I give up!

Corkey · 10-12-2011, 03:54 PM

The letter to your senator, wonderful great, did you read the link you posted? The uplifting of one portion of society at the expense of another is not what this is about. It is about recognizing that an atrocity has happened, and that the federal government yearly places the killer from Spain as someone to be admired. He was a criminal, one who perpetrated genocide, not just on Native populations in the western continent but to the Native populations of the Caribbean Islands.

Okiebug61 · 10-12-2011, 04:03 PM

It's very apparent that you don't like me or what I bring to this conversation. So I am going to stop away. Good luck!

Apocalipstic · 10-12-2011, 04:20 PM

It does not seem like its personal Okie.

The link you posted while asking for the holiday to be changed, does use a lot of racist language. If you would like examples PM me and I can send you some later.

There was a time in my life when I was not aware that many of the terms in that article are racist. Maybe read some of the racism threads on this website and watch some Tim Wise on YouTube and start learning what is acceptable.

It is a learning process.

SoNotHer · 10-12-2011, 05:38 PM

One passage from Zinn's great work available online at

http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/zinncol1.html

"In the villages of the Iroquois, land was owned in common and worked in common. Hunting was done together, and the catch was divided among the members of the village. Houses were considered common property and were shared by several families. The concept of private ownership of land and homes was foreign to the Iroquois. A French Jesuit priest who encountered them in the 1650s wrote: 'No poorhouses are needed among them, because they are neither mendicants nor paupers.. . . Their kindness, humanity and courtesy not only makes them liberal with what they have, but causes them to possess hardly anything except in common.

Women were important and respected in Iroquois society. Families were matrilineal. That is, the family line went down through the female members, whose husbands joined the family, while sons who married then joined their wives' families. Each extended family lived in a 'long house.' When a woman wanted a divorce, she set her husband's things outside the door."

Corkey · 10-12-2011, 05:56 PM

An excellent resource for people to read about the life of The People before the killer from Spain is a book called "1491" subtitled The revelations of the Americas before Columbus.

It is an archeological and sociological treatise on the populations of the Americas.

Ebon · 10-12-2011, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SoNotHer

One passage from Zinn's great work available online at

http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/zinncol1.html

"In the villages of the Iroquois, land was owned in common and worked in common. Hunting was done together, and the catch was divided among the members of the village. Houses were considered common property and were shared by several families. The concept of private ownership of land and homes was foreign to the Iroquois. A French Jesuit priest who encountered them in the 1650s wrote: 'No poorhouses are needed among them, because they are neither mendicants nor paupers.. . . Their kindness, humanity and courtesy not only makes them liberal with what they have, but causes them to possess hardly anything except in common.

Women were important and respected in Iroquois society. Families were matrilineal. That is, the family line went down through the female members, whose husbands joined the family, while sons who married then joined their wives' families. Each extended family lived in a 'long house.' When a woman wanted a divorce, she set her husband's things outside the door."

I know women that sets (throws) her husbands things outside the door now but they don't get to have a divorce. Thanks for the info!

Ebon · 10-12-2011, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Corkey

An excellent resource for people to read about the life of The People before the killer from Spain is a book called "1491" subtitled The revelations of the Americas before Columbus.

It is an archeological and sociological treatise on the populations of the Americas.

This is wonderful! I can't wait to read it.

Corkey · 10-12-2011, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ebon

This is wonderful! I can't wait to read it.

Charles C Mann is the author.

SoNotHer · 10-12-2011, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ebon

I know women that sets (throws) her husbands things outside the door now but they don't get to have a divorce. Thanks for the info!

You know what I've been going through this this year, and you know I am laughing out loud now :-) Yes, the Iroquis understood that a physical gesture was called for in certain times. Hard to mistake the message of all your stuff sitting outside the door!

Corkey · 10-12-2011, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SoNotHer

You know what I've been going through this this year, and you know I am laughing out loud now :-) Yes, the Iroquis understood that a physical gesture was called for in certain times. Hard to mistake the message of all your stuff sitting outside the door!

Nothing says I'm done more than a bear picking through your stuff LOL

10-12-2011, 03:22 PM	#26
Corkey Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Human Preferred Pronoun?: He Relationship Status: Very Married Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Where I want to be Posts: 8,155 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 47,491 Thanked 29,299 Times in 6,640 Posts Rep Power: 21474859	Again this thread is to celebrate Indigenous People. Thoughts on this subject are more than welcome. __________________ "Many proposals have been made to us to adopt your laws, your religion, your manners and your customs. We would be better pleased with beholding the good effects of these doctrines in your own practices, than with hearing you talk about them". ~Old Tassel, Chief of the Tsalagi (Cherokee)

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Okiebug61 Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Light Butch Preferred Pronoun?: She Relationship Status: Hitched to Red Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,528 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 2,261 Thanked 5,381 Times in 1,245 Posts Rep Power: 21474852	Here you go! http://newsfornatives.com/blog/national-native-holiday/ __________________ "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawake." ~ Anatole France

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Corkey Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Human Preferred Pronoun?: He Relationship Status: Very Married Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Where I want to be Posts: 8,155 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 47,491 Thanked 29,299 Times in 6,640 Posts Rep Power: 21474859	First, where did this come from, and secondly it contains racial speech that is at best derogatory and at worst racist. __________________ "Many proposals have been made to us to adopt your laws, your religion, your manners and your customs. We would be better pleased with beholding the good effects of these doctrines in your own practices, than with hearing you talk about them". ~Old Tassel, Chief of the Tsalagi (Cherokee)

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Okiebug61 Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Light Butch Preferred Pronoun?: She Relationship Status: Hitched to Red Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,528 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 2,261 Thanked 5,381 Times in 1,245 Posts Rep Power: 21474852	Letter to my Senator, Dear Senator Inhofe, I am writing to ask why we celebrate "Columbus Day" as a Federal Holiday? There is overwhelming information that provides us a history of violence against the "Native Americans". I ask you as my representative to please look into this and let me know why my tax dollars are used to provide you and all other Federal employees a payed day off. Thank You, __________________ "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawake." ~ Anatole France

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Corkey Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Human Preferred Pronoun?: He Relationship Status: Very Married Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Where I want to be Posts: 8,155 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 47,491 Thanked 29,299 Times in 6,640 Posts Rep Power: 21474859	The letter to your senator, wonderful great, did you read the link you posted? The uplifting of one portion of society at the expense of another is not what this is about. It is about recognizing that an atrocity has happened, and that the federal government yearly places the killer from Spain as someone to be admired. He was a criminal, one who perpetrated genocide, not just on Native populations in the western continent but to the Native populations of the Caribbean Islands. __________________ "Many proposals have been made to us to adopt your laws, your religion, your manners and your customs. We would be better pleased with beholding the good effects of these doctrines in your own practices, than with hearing you talk about them". ~Old Tassel, Chief of the Tsalagi (Cherokee) Last edited by Corkey; 10-12-2011 at 04:24 PM.

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Okiebug61 Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Light Butch Preferred Pronoun?: She Relationship Status: Hitched to Red Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,528 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 2,261 Thanked 5,381 Times in 1,245 Posts Rep Power: 21474852	It's very apparent that you don't like me or what I bring to this conversation. So I am going to stop away. Good luck! __________________ "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawake." ~ Anatole France

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Apocalipstic Pink Confection How Do You Identify?: Femme Preferred Pronoun?: She, Her, Ma'am Relationship Status: Dating Myself Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Nashville Posts: 4,266 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 17,195 Thanked 11,383 Times in 2,840 Posts Rep Power: 21474855	It does not seem like its personal Okie. The link you posted while asking for the holiday to be changed, does use a lot of racist language. If you would like examples PM me and I can send you some later. There was a time in my life when I was not aware that many of the terms in that article are racist. Maybe read some of the racism threads on this website and watch some Tim Wise on YouTube and start learning what is acceptable. It is a learning process. __________________

10-12-2011, 05:38 PM	#34
SoNotHer Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Professional Sandbagger and Jenga Zumba Instructor Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: In the master control room of my world domination dreams Posts: 2,811 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 6,587 Thanked 4,736 Times in 1,409 Posts Rep Power: 21474850	A People's History by Howard Zinn One passage from Zinn's great work available online at http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/zinncol1.html "In the villages of the Iroquois, land was owned in common and worked in common. Hunting was done together, and the catch was divided among the members of the village. Houses were considered common property and were shared by several families. The concept of private ownership of land and homes was foreign to the Iroquois. A French Jesuit priest who encountered them in the 1650s wrote: 'No poorhouses are needed among them, because they are neither mendicants nor paupers.. . . Their kindness, humanity and courtesy not only makes them liberal with what they have, but causes them to possess hardly anything except in common. Women were important and respected in Iroquois society. Families were matrilineal. That is, the family line went down through the female members, whose husbands joined the family, while sons who married then joined their wives' families. Each extended family lived in a 'long house.' When a woman wanted a divorce, she set her husband's things outside the door."

10-12-2011, 05:56 PM	#35
Corkey Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Human Preferred Pronoun?: He Relationship Status: Very Married Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Where I want to be Posts: 8,155 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 47,491 Thanked 29,299 Times in 6,640 Posts Rep Power: 21474859	An excellent resource for people to read about the life of The People before the killer from Spain is a book called "1491" subtitled The revelations of the Americas before Columbus. It is an archeological and sociological treatise on the populations of the Americas. __________________ "Many proposals have been made to us to adopt your laws, your religion, your manners and your customs. We would be better pleased with beholding the good effects of these doctrines in your own practices, than with hearing you talk about them". ~Old Tassel, Chief of the Tsalagi (Cherokee)