Is it BAD art if you love it?

LeftWriteFemme · 08-23-2011, 07:04 AM

They say beauty is in the eye of the beholder; is appreciation in the heart of the appreciator?

Please tell me your secret art preferences......I promise not to tell a soul!

Oh, and please take the poll!

08-23-2011, 07:06 AM

Is it bad art or art you just don't like?

Gemme · 08-23-2011, 08:09 AM

I love tinkering with found items and will add them to my artistic endeavors. I'm sure others would just look at it and wonder why someone stuck junk in there, but it's kind of cool to me.

LeftWriteFemme · 08-23-2011, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Incubus

Is it bad art or art you just don't like?

If I like it does that make it GOOD art?

Apocalipstic · 08-23-2011, 08:14 AM

I think so.

Art is everywhere and if it's pleasing to you, then it is good art.

08-23-2011, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by LeftWriteFemme

If I like it does that make it GOOD art?

No!

Sparkle · 08-23-2011, 10:05 AM

<--- "This is Art"

(i have a t-shirt that says that)

My opinion:

Art is art regardless of whether it is appreciated or not.

Art is art whether you/I/she or he deems it good or bad.

Art is sometimes art (or becomes art) despite not being created with that intent or for that purpose, despite the fact that most standard dictionaries define it as the product of an intentional act of creation.

Leo Tolstoy wrote an essay in 1896, I agree with many of his points, here is a decent summation snipped

"Leo Tolstoy’s What is Art? (1896) is a treatise concerning the nature and purpose of art, describing how art can express moral values. Tolstoy does not define art in terms of its ability to express form and beauty, but instead defines art in terms of its ability to communicate concepts of morality. For Tolstoy, aesthetic values are defined by moral values.

According to Tolstoy, art cannot be defined as an activity which produces beauty. Beauty cannot be defined objectively, and therefore cannot be used as a criterion to define what is, or is not, art. The aim of art is not merely to produce beauty, or to provide pleasure, enjoyment, or entertainment. Art is a means of communication, and is an important means of expression of any experience, or of any aspect of the human condition.

Tolstoy defines art as an expression of a feeling or experience in such a way that the audience to whom the art is directed can share that feeling or experience. Art does not belong to any particular class of society. To limit the subject matter of art to the experiences of a particular class of society is to deny that art can be important for all of society. Tolstoy criticizes the belief that art is only relevant to a particular class of society, saying that this is a misconception which can lead to obscurity and decadence in art.

According to Tolstoy, good art is intelligible and comprehensible. Bad art is unintelligible and incomprehensible. The more that art restricts itself to a particular audience, the more obscure and incomprehensible it becomes to people outside that particular audience. Good art is not confusing and incomprehensible to most people. To the contrary, good art can communicate its meaning to most people, because it expresses its meaning in a way which can be understood by everyone."

Tommi · 08-23-2011, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeftWriteFemme

They say beauty is in the eye of the beholder; is appreciation in the heart of the appreciator?

Please tell me your secret art preferences......I promise not to tell a soul!

Oh, and please take the poll!

Only an Outsider Artist can raise a poll like this

I do have a velvet tiger from a journey to Tijuna, in the garage now~beside Elvis--->

Art is .~..subscribing so I can post later.

My car is ready. with the bill.....
No, my car doesn't have a bill.

weatherboi · 08-23-2011, 12:32 PM

http://www.museumofbadart.org/

it is all relative to me

AlphaDrug · 08-24-2011, 10:25 AM

I'm a HUGE Salvidor Dali fan, I even have a clock melting in my kitchen. ^_^

MissItalianDiva · 08-24-2011, 10:35 AM

I agree with some previous comments here.

Art is just that Art. I think Art definitely is one of those things where the beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There are no standards of what constitutes art and what doesn't.

I have some pretty out there pieces in my home that I know a lot of people don't "get" or appreciate but to me they resonate and I connect with them. So while they are in no way shape or form mainstream I consider them beautiful pieces.

dark_crystal · 08-24-2011, 11:51 AM

I am of two minds on the subject.

In the first place, this quote from Thomas Kinkade makes me feel quite stabby:

There's been million-seller books and million-seller CDs. But there hasn't been, until now, million-seller art. We have found a way to bring to millions of people, an art that they can understand.

On the other hand, having been through a very formal fine arts conservatory program, it was my experience that art which is considered "capital "a" Art," as in the Fine Art that makes it into NYC galleries and the Venice Biennale, is largely unintelligible to 99.99% of the population.

Art that only makes sense to people who have been through very formal fine arts conservatory programs also makes me feel stabby

i don't like the pandering Thomas Kinkade does, but i don't like that ivory tower crap either.

ETA: all of my toys are in dioramas. the most awesomely ridiculous being the three cabbage patch kids sitting naked in a galvanized tub, up to their chins in bubbles painstakingly cut from an entire roll of bubblewrap

Abigail Crabby · 08-26-2011, 07:55 AM

I don't have any of the art mentioned......I think I am Velvet Elvis deprived lol

I never thought of drying out my peeps and making a collage, next Easter that is first on my agenda.

I am a Dali fan - but alas I don't own any yet. Gimme time I will.

Art is art and it's in the eye of the beholder - so what I like might give someone shivers and vice versa, but as long as I like it....

It's not bad art - It's My art

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