Big Butch Love

[Cyclopea]

Originally Posted by Kam

Well... there are other threads... do you have any 'love' to contribute or just driving by to shoot, Cyclopea?

Yes, I have plenty of love to contribute. I try to love my body - or as someone said geniusly somewhere "my earth vessel" for all it's flaws and foibles. I thought that's what this thread was for. There are plenty of threads and venues on this site for weight loss support. The title of this thread "Big Butch Love" promises enjoyment and acceptance of the bigger butch. Perhaps even a place for those who enjoy a big butch. All this talk about desperately needing to diet for butches who are moderately chubby? Not at all the same as loving big butches. Does that make sense?

[Lady Jewel]

Gawd I wub you Cyclo

Originally Posted by Cyclopea

Yes, I have plenty of love to contribute. I try to love my body - or as someone said geniusly somewhere "my earth vessel" for all it's flaws and foibles. I thought that's what this thread was for. There are plenty of threads and venues on this site for weight loss support. The title of this thread "Big Butch Love" promises enjoyment and acceptance of the bigger butch. Perhaps even a place for those who enjoy a big butch. All this talk about desperately needing to diet for butches who are moderately chubby? Not at all the same as loving big butches. Does that make sense?

[Jet]

Originally Posted by Cyclopea

Yes, I have plenty of love to contribute. I try to love my body - or as someone said geniusly somewhere "my earth vessel" for all it's flaws and foibles. I thought that's what this thread was for. There are plenty of threads and venues on this site for weight loss support. The title of this thread "Big Butch Love" promises enjoyment and acceptance of the bigger butch. Perhaps even a place for those who enjoy a big butch. All this talk about desperately needing to diet for butches who are moderately chubby? Not at all the same as loving big butches. Does that make sense?

It makes perfect sense. But my discomfort over my weight issue does equate or apply to someone else. My weight is NOT OKAY with me; it's costing me money for new clothes and something is wrong medically that needs to be addressed. These are valid points in my life, not yours[/U] and I resent the comment fat panick when it could be a health issue at 53. I'm entitled to set standards for my life and my body, alone, no one else's. The thread was started to see how butches might see, feel and express themselves as butches on the subject of weight. And yeah, I am positive for them no matter what they look like. Weight, looks and other surface noise would never enter into a friendship with them or treat them in any manner that made anyone feel "less than". But having been made to feel that way today myself, I'll step out and leave this thread to y'all who are supportive and loving towards big butches.

[Cyclopea]

Originally Posted by Ol' Jet

It makes perfect sense. But my discomfort over my weight issue does equate or apply to someone else. My weight is NOT OKAY with me; it's costing me money for new clothes and something is wrong medically that needs to be addressed. These are valid points in my life, not yours[/U] and I resent the comment fat panick when it could be a health issue at 53. I'm entitled to set standards for my life and my body, alone, no one else's. The thread was started to see how butches might see, feel and express themselves as butches on the subject of weight. And yeah, I am positive for them no matter what they look like. Weight, looks and other surface noise would never enter into a friendship with them or treat them in any manner that made anyone feel "less than". But having been made to feel that way today myself, I'll step out and leave this thread to y'all who are supportive and loving towards big butches.

My intent is not to attack you. And I should have tread more gently entering a thread where you already felt defensive. I respect your feelings and your weight loss and health needs. I think the dissonance started with the title of the thread which promised enjoyment and acceptance of big butches. In that regard, striving to be different than as one is, rather than to be loved as one is, is in disagreement with the title of the thread. I hope that makes sense. Again, no disrespect was intended to you, and I apologize for posting bluntly. I wish you the best, and hey, maybe if some Big Butch Appreciation follows this rocky start, it may be healthy for even moderately chubby butches who are freaked and despairing at age related or other changes, to see that some appreciate them just how they are.
Thank you for listening.
I am butch, btw. But generally Butch Love-ers come in all stripes.

[Jet]

Originally Posted by Cyclopea

My intent is not to attack you. And I should have tread more gently entering a thread where you already felt defensive. I respect your feelings and your weight loss and health needs. I think the dissonance started with the title of the thread which promised enjoyment and acceptance of big butches. In that regard, striving to be different than as one is, rather than to be loved as one is, is in disagreement with the title of the thread. I hope that makes sense. Again, no disrespect was intended to you, and I apologize for posting bluntly. I wish you the best, and hey, maybe if some Big Butch Appreciation follows this rocky start, it may be healthy for even moderately chubby butches who are freaked and despairing at age related or other changes, to see that some appreciate them just how they are.
Thank you for listening.
I am butch, btw. But generally Butch Love-ers come in all stripes.

Your post is welcomed and accepted and I'd like to shake hands on it in our respect and words toward one another. Thanks.

[Cyclopea]

Originally Posted by Ol' Jet

Your post is welcomed and accepted and I'd like to shake hands on it in our respect and words toward one another. Thanks.

Reciprocated.
Thank you.
On to Big Butch Appreciation!

[LieslKate]

YAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY to pics... lotsa Butch pics plz... I NEED perv time... *fans*

[apretty]

love and appreciation for butches of all size--providing they're lovely people on the inside.

the trouble i have with the thread resides only in the *name* of the thread because it seems to speak about/to/for people 'of size' and the tone and subsequent posts by the OP read more like: 'my sudden weight gain/my medical issue'.

rarely do 'big butches' find themselves in this kind of situation where they woke up one morning *fat* (speaking from my big-girl place), more than likely this has been a much longer road that we've navigated and it feels like, for me, someone is trying to facilitate from his place of 'recent weight gain' the *life* we've spent a lifetime *living* (which, generally speaking, would be his *privileged place*)

which is not to say that the original questions aren't valid--i was just *expecting* a fat-butch-love-song (thread).

size matters.

[LieslKate]

Just dropping by to give a shout out to all those yummy and delish Butches of more than average proportions... not that I don't like slimmer Butches but there is nothing more comforting than being wrapped up and sheltered in the arms of ... well, yanno

[Kast]

Yes, I'm sorry, Cyclopea... I didn't realize you thought the thread theme was supposed to be carried out in a specific and certain way... you're absolutely right. I think I'll bow out too, maybe there's a coloring book in the Arcade that allows us to color outside the lines?

[Cyclopea]

Originally Posted by LieslKate

Just dropping by to give a shout out to all those yummy and delish Butches of more than average proportions... not that I don't like slimmer Butches but there is nothing more comforting than being wrapped up and sheltered in the arms of ... well, yanno

Thank you darling!

[Lady Jewel]

Mmm me too Kate. I love them fluffy bois

Originally Posted by Cyclopea

Thank you darling!

[T D]

Interesting thread. It also seems to be darn near full of angst of all types.

2 things I know for sure; 1) Mood stabilizing medications generally cause weight gain. This can be quite uncomfortable for those who don't normally gain weight. 2) Life changes drastically in ones 50's, especially if your post menopausal. Menopause in general creates tremendous changes in the female body. It's not necessarily a lot of fun, and not the same for everyone.

Having said these things, it seems to me that if one feels like they're fat (really and truly), feels uncomfortable in their skin, and doesn't like it, then why not bring it to a forum as a topic to discuss. Just my opinion of course. Like many of you I don't find Jet overweight, but then again I haven't seen a recent photo apparently. I think it's how Jet "feels" that counts the most in his post.

Anyway, I've been overweight most of my life. I've had times when I didn't like it, felt uncomfortable, lacking in confidence, etc. But I remember at some point in my life realizing that not everyone is attracted or in liking of everyone else, and we really have no control over that. Sooooo, if someone was gonna like me they were just gonna like me how I am, and for who I am. Quite honestly I've never had a problem meeting people who are attracted to me, so I have to say I don't think size really has much to do with it. However I DO know how size can effect our own self esteem.

Meanwhile, this past year I decided that I was just plain sick and tired of not being able to select clothing (clothing that I LIKE) right off the rack, buy shirts that didn't hang down to my knees, and paying the "fat tax" on top of this for said clothes. I'm losing weight, and that's that!

My size has never been a deciding factor in who I date. I've dated women who weighed 100lbs soaking wet, and women who weighed over 200lbs, and everything in between. Who we're attracted to is just plain and simply who we're attracted too, period!

Stepping down now

[WolfyOne]

I think I'm just going to kick back, read a while and see where this thread goes. I'm not a big butch, but I am overweight for my height. I've hit middle age spread and then some. I know what I have to do to keep myself healthy, but that would mean giving up what I enjoy.

[Jet]

Originally Posted by T D

Interesting thread. It also seems to be darn near full of angst of all types.

2 things I know for sure; 1) Mood stabilizing medications generally cause weight gain. This can be quite uncomfortable for those who don't normally gain weight. 2) Life changes drastically in ones 50's, especially if your post menopausal. Menopause in general creates tremendous changes in the female body. It's not necessarily a lot of fun, and not the same for everyone.

Having said these things, it seems to me that if one feels like they're fat (really and truly), feels uncomfortable in their skin, and doesn't like it, then why not bring it to a forum as a topic to discuss. Just my opinion of course. Like many of you I don't find Jet overweight, but then again I haven't seen a recent photo apparently. I think it's how Jet "feels" that counts the most in his post.

Anyway, I've been overweight most of my life. I've had times when I didn't like it, felt uncomfortable, lacking in confidence, etc. But I remember at some point in my life realizing that not everyone is attracted or in liking of everyone else, and we really have no control over that. Sooooo, if someone was gonna like me they were just gonna like me how I am, and for who I am. Quite honestly I've never had a problem meeting people who are attracted to me, so I have to say I don't think size really has much to do with it. However I DO know how size can effect our own self esteem.

Meanwhile, this past year I decided that I was just plain sick and tired of not being able to select clothing (clothing that I LIKE) right off the rack, buy shirts that didn't hang down to my knees, and paying the "fat tax" on top of this for said clothes. I'm losing weight, and that's that!

My size has never been a deciding factor in who I date. I've dated women who weighed 100lbs soaking wet, and women who weighed over 200lbs, and everything in between. Who we're attracted to is just plain and simply who we're attracted too, period!

Stepping down now

Well TD, I'm about ready to post a pic from december and they suck. About clothes, I struggle...dress clothes for my work are expensive, or they can be and it's disheartening to buy clothes and find a month later I can't wear them. It's rapid weight gain and I'm concerned. I'd like to throw on a pair of bib overalls and be done with it, but i can't corporate style.
Thanks for participating in the thread.