Politics-What's on your mind?

[GeorgiaMa'am]

Originally Posted by kittygrrl

Doesn't it say in the Christian Bible "the meek shall inherit the earth"? Wishing or encouraging for Atomic bombs to or for another country doesn't seem "meek" to me..Also,
hurrying the rapture seems counterproductive if you are busy trying to learn godliness..that can take a lifetime.......or more. Personally, if (godliness) is my goal, i'd like as much time as possible to work on it.

I never said it made any sense. I quit trying to make sense out of all the contradictions in the Christian Bible and the "Christian" teachings I was getting a long time ago. But I agree with you, I'd like more time rather than less.

[GeorgiaMa'am]

Originally Posted by C0LLETTE

I shouldn't have given the impression I was referring only to "evangelicals". I was referring to American global policy ( which is "white-Christian" centric ) in general. Middle east is just the best current example.

Thanks for the explanation. I see now where you were going with that.

[kittygrrl]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaMa'am

I never said it made any sense. I quit trying to make sense out of all the contradictions in the Christian Bible and the "Christian" teachings I was getting a long time ago. But I agree with you, I'd like more time rather than less.

GeorgiaMa'am i found your remarks interesting and they made me think of my own history...i spent a lot of time in my youth pursuing religious truth..thru catholicism, southern baptist, presbyterian, and church of god...and studied other parts of Christianity..i don't regret it and honor the gods however they present themselves ..but i've been a devotee of the goddess for many years..i find many parts of Christianity puzzling..i'm sure that is why i was so restless for a long time...the gods have given us many paths and i am grateful..

[cathexis]

Originally Posted by cathexis

Ha, even his base will eventually start to doubt his objects and that means beginning with their womynfolk. Feminists need to be right there providing alternatives, information, and explanations.

TG there are organizers and leaders. My hat's off to them. I could never get into running for any party leadership. Not that socially diplomatic with POS, though some leftists can do it. They deserve their choice of the bust of Marx, Goldman, or Che Guevara.

We need folks more out in the street, up in peoples' grills, fire-bombing empty recruitment stations to "Set It Off." I'll keep doing what I do best, put me in a locked (or not) and give us whatever research is needed current or past. That will be the lion's share. I will carry an M-16 and sharp boot knife just in case of alt-right marauders (or any right-wings) all to be used for quick dispatch.

Careful and accurate handling of a long range rifle does not exceed my skill set, though.

Originally Posted by charley

Are you serious????

Originally Posted by Apocalipstic

I so hope and pray that we do not get to that point!

Originally Posted by C0LLETTE

I'm not sure why Americans feel they have a right to attack Iran. If they got out of the Middle East, removed their troops, nobody would be attacking them. If it's a question of protecting "interests", negotiate those fairly and with consideration of the rights of other countries and nations. Maybe we get peace that way", when the concept of "winning, winning" gives way to cooperative fairness. I don't see how we survive otherwise.

Also, can anyone really imagine the USA sitting on a boiling, angry Muslim world forever? It's absurd and stupid. Seems to me they ought to be trying to work it all out, as the small eruptions occur, because the large uncontainable eruption is sure to occur, sooner or later ( and that later eruption just might destroy my childrens' and grandchildrens' lives.

Religion, religion, religion...far as i can understand, no reason to think Christianity is in any way superior to any other religion nor is being "White' in any way superior to any other skin colour or culture but I do believe this is the combo-crossover rationale for grabbing everything. ie: if you're a Christian, we'll work out a way for you to keep your shit, otherwise.........

Religion has long been an excuse for attacking other cultures. I prefer the rational approach to life without religious belief and the wars that ensue.

Yes, I dead seriously want a revolution and believe that the US is as ready as it's ever been. The country is angry, polarized, and could very well ignite into civil war. Instead of internal conflict, the anger needs to be redirected to revolution against this regime which is why some adept organizers need to emerge. With the assistance of other socialist countries, the angst should be directed toward socialism.

Indeed, I would take up arms for the revolution I've been waiting for most of my life. Having become a socialist in my early teens after beginning a course of study in the history of the USSR and Marxism which is ongoing.
It is, IMHO, the only reasonable course of action. We need social and economic justice for all of the disenfranchised poor who deal with the
disparity on a daily basis.

Billionaires running to be the Democratic nominee, how absurd can it get?

[charley]

Originally Posted by cathexis

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Indeed, I would take up arms for the revolution I've been waiting for most of my life.

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Fantasy to have lived during the time of the Weathermen... and been a part of their group. Wait a minute... reality check! They failed. I think I saw that on TV. Waste of energy.

[charley]

I am presently watching Part 2 of Rachel Maddow's interview of Lev Parnas (associate of Giuliani). I saw the 1st part yesterday.

Thank goodness for Rachel Maddow and other journalists who are making such facts accessible to us.

OMG, what corrupt lawyers associated with Trump! Parnas had to fire the lawyers that Trump (through his lackeys) dumped on him, because they urged him to refuse to cooperate.

These people, all those associated with Trump are so corrupt, so evil, it's incredible.

The Republican controlled Senate will undoubtedly refuse to find Trump guilty, because they are all so corrupt. I hope they all lose their seats. Of course, considering how corrupt a large sector of American voters are, there is always a possibility that Trump may even get re-elected; and this time, I would not be surprised if that happens.

Maddow has also pointed out that the Federal watchdog Government Accountability Office (GAO) has found that the (OMB - White House's Office of Management and Budget) violated law by withholding Ukraine aid, in other words, Trump broke the law.

These politicians who cover for Trump all lack integrity - in other words, they will use any and all means to realize their agenda. There are way too many people like that in the world. The world has become a very dark place.

I sit quietly and safely in another country, and watch in horror.

So, the impeachment trial is about to begin.

[cathexis]

Originally Posted by charley

Fantasy to have lived during the time of the Weathermen... and been a part of their group. Wait a minute... reality check! They failed. I think I saw that on TV. Waste of energy.

If you recall your New American Left history, the Weathermen group was not completely dissolved until the mid-2010s. Well after they had reiterated their policy of non-harm to human life. The objective of the Weathermen was damage to property in keeping with their anti-capitalist values. No Socialist or Communist group that I am aware of has, as a primary goal the killing of people, it's antithetical to the praxis of Communism.

For a 1960s-70s revolutionary group, they were quite successful and outlasted most of their genre. Definitely, not a movie of the week event. The Weathermen accomplished most of their goals from anti-Vietnam War actions to the Brink's armored car heist spanning some fifty years.

[~ocean]

Originally Posted by charley

I am presently watching Part 2 of Rachel Maddow's interview of Lev Parnas (associate of Giuliani). I saw the 1st part yesterday.

Thank goodness for Rachel Maddow and other journalists who are making such facts accessible to us.

OMG, what corrupt lawyers associated with Trump! Parnas had to fire the lawyers that Trump (through his lackeys) dumped on him, because they urged him to refuse to cooperate.

These people, all those associated with Trump are so corrupt, so evil, it's incredible.

The Republican controlled Senate will undoubtedly refuse to find Trump guilty, because they are all so corrupt. I hope they all lose their seats. Of course, considering how corrupt a large sector of American voters are, there is always a possibility that Trump may even get re-elected; and this time, I would not be surprised if that happens.

Maddow has also pointed out that the Federal watchdog Government Accountability Office (GAO) has found that the (OMB - White House's Office of Management and Budget) violated law by withholding Ukraine aid, in other words, Trump broke the law.

These politicians who cover for Trump all lack integrity - in other words, they will use any and all means to realize their agenda. There are way too many people like that in the world. The world has become a very dark place.

I sit quietly and safely in another country, and watch in horror.

So, the impeachment trial is about to begin.

Yes Charley WE KNOW ALL ABOUT IT !! and WE will take care of it ~ now pay attention just in case YOUR country has a bad leader ! I also adore Rachel Maddow. I think that's all I have to say

[cathexis]

Originally Posted by ~ocean

Yes Charley WE KNOW ALL ABOUT IT !! and WE will take care of it ~ now pay attention just in case YOUR country has a bad leader ! I also adore Rachel Maddow. I think that's all I have to say

Now,~ocean, do you really think a situation like we have would happen in Canada? Maybe I'm wrong, but they seem less hot-tempered and more level headed. We've always had our Second Amendment re-interpreting militia types, unlike many other more stable countries.

[GeorgiaMa'am]

Originally Posted by cathexis

Now,~ocean, do you really think a situation like we have would happen in Canada? Maybe I'm wrong, but they seem less hot-tempered and more level headed. We've always had our Second Amendment re-interpreting militia types, unlike many other more stable countries.

Even Canada has its "III% ers" and "The Base" with wacko militia extremists. Crazies and (in even larger numbers, I think) misguided, poorly educated people live everywhere. Of course, ours in the U.S. seem to be coming out of the woodwork lately, since we have the Pied Piper of Crazies at the helm (for the moment).

[cathexis]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaMa'am

Even Canada has its "III% ers" and "The Base" with wacko militia extremists. Crazies and (in even larger numbers, I think) misguided, poorly educated people live everywhere. Of course, ours in the U.S. seem to be coming out of the woodwork lately, since we have the Pied Piper of Crazies at the helm (for the moment).

Ok, Canada has a few extremists, but compared to us, they live on Walden Pond.
"Misguided poorly educated people live everywhere," I agree, but the US has had problems with them since it's inception. We conquered the native people since the Mayflower. The US is built on invasion and conquest, the European arrival, the (1st) American Revolution, conquest of the western native lands, War of 1812, Civil War, lists go up to the present century.

US men, yes usually men, have always had violent love affairs with their firearms to the point that they've misinterpreted our Second Amendment in order to continue the Wild West violence in our modern-day streets. Doubt many other places have as embarrassing a history in this short amount of time.

[charley]

This is an interesting subject, and I recently saw (last week) a program on the Documentary Channel - "Ben Fogle: Return to the Wild", 2nd episode in the series (2018), which documented the lives of Bill and Bob (genetic twins) - two old guys (in their 70s) living in Utah in a hidden/secret location in the Utah desert. I won't go into all the details, but there was an interesting admission during the show, wherein they said how they listened more to things on air that had to to do with "survival" techniques, and at a point, one said, without them saying that they had voted for Trump, that they were well prepared just in case there was an assassination attempt on Trump... (cough) !!!

Later in the show, one bro showed his locked storeroom to Ben which was completely stocked with large locked metal cases and what appeared to be dangerous substances (munitions/arms/god knows what...etc.).

What really struck me about their lives was their absolute conviction of "license"/"freedom", the "freedom" to live their lives exactly as they desired. (I must say here that their idea of freedom has absolutely nothing to do with what I have understood from meditation - i.e. psychological freedom from the past.) It seems to me that this is the key - the core - of all alt-right groups, and why such people support Trump. Now, I might be mistaken, I am no expert, lol. Of course, hatred is an emotion that tends to go hand-in-hand with this belief.

So, this is also, it seems to me, the reason that pro-lifers and some religious groups, etc. also support Trump, this "freedom" to choose to adopt a position, that identifies them in one way or another.

Now, while there are always disaffected young loners attracted to alt-right groups, whether in the U.S., Canada, Australia, Europe, etc., this show really made me understand that Bob and Bill's attitude to life was based entirely on a form of licentiousness (I am not talking of sexual amorality or wantonness), but more of what they believe is licit and has developed into a form of a philosophy and approach to life. And, it also seems to me that it is this very position which lies at the foundation of what is happening in the White House as well.

Waves from Walden Pond, at anyone who reads this, (grins).

[charley]

I zoned out watching the "trial"... zzzzzzzzz I will catch the summaries on the news later, much later. No documents produced, nor witnesses testifying. It just seemed like a lot of judicial foreplay, with a lot of legalese mumbo-jumbo from the Republicans that I didn't understand, and the Democrats just re-verbalizing the charges, and in between, more procedural legalese. I don't even understand why they are calling it a trial. It was more interesting when Pelosi was holding back on sending the charges to the Senate; I almost wish she never sent them, and that the impeachment would just hang there, like some albatross hanging over Trump's head.

[FireSignFemme]

Originally Posted by charley

... I almost wish she never sent them, and that the impeachment would just hang there, like some albatross hanging over Trump's head.

I think in a way it sort of is. I mean before this trial even began, there were those threatening, or promising, I guess it just depends what side you're on, if they didn't win this round they might try and impeach him again for other things. Maybe. And the way I understand it, he doesn't even have to still be in office for them to impeach him so when does it all end?

[FireSignFemme]

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdow...ial%20Election

[GeorgiaMa'am]

Originally Posted by charley

. . . the Democrats just re-verbalizing the charges, and in between, more procedural legalese. I don't even understand why they are calling it a trial.

The procedural legalese is boring, except to illustrate how reluctant the Republicans are to let any witnesses or evidence be shown. If they weren't afraid of the evidence, why not let it come out so they could refute it?

It's really not so much a trial - even though technically it is one - as an opportunity for the Democrats to list out all the details of what people did or saw that was wrong, by explaining why they should be called as witnesses. Even if the Republicans don't let the witnesses testify, now the Democrats have an opportunity to explain exactly why and what it was that Trump did that was illegal (not to mention idiotic, crass and not interested in the American public's welfare). I think that's why the Democrats thought it would be worthwhile to go through the process of impeachment, even if they could never get an impeachment past the Senate.

[kittygrrl]

i'm reviewing Adam Schiff's presentation...so far it's incredibly good, measured..with brilliance...enjoying..w tea

[Kätzchen]

I wonder if anyone who saw the documentary, Dark Waters (Corporate Malfeasance committed by DuPont et al) will see a similar parallel to the life long pattern of corporate malfeasance committed by the T---p family. Just like Teflon is toxic and is practically in everybody's system (same as plastic copolymer products which never 'die', it's impossible; it's got its own brand of toxicity) and branded as non-stick product, it's my opinion that T---p is as toxic as Teflon. I personally feel that his proverbial sins will be exposed for the treachery behind all things T---p and that his brand of corporate malfeasance is only the tip of the iceberg of the many 'Cardinal Sins' this horrible monster has committed, over and over again, since a very young age.

Just like King David committed his treachery of murder in plain sight, so it is with the many treacheries committed by T---p.

That's what I have been thinking about, lately.

I also think that anybody running for POTUS should undergo a psychiatric exam, to make sure they don't have some out of control narcissism or some sort of sociopathy which is not only a danger to those afflicted by it, but a serious danger and threat to society as a whole.

[homoe]

LOVE LOVE LOVE this!

[homoe]

Beware you spineless politicians, the Lincoln Project is calling you out..