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Julie · 05-21-2011, 04:51 PM

Now, I am curious as to why in your tags you placed these terms.

bio male, cisgendered, cissexed, transsexed, xy male

Why not the others?

The_Lady_Snow · 05-21-2011, 05:06 PM

Sorry dude, wasn't trying to make you mad, I'll bow out

DapperButch · 05-21-2011, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julie

Now, I am curious as to why in your tags you placed these terms.

bio male, cisgendered, cissexed, transsexed, xy male

Why not the others?

I had to delete those because only so many tags are allowed. Since we tend to see more transsexed men at this site versus transsexed women, I figured it would be unlikely those tabs would be looked for.

I do believe I am the FIRST person to get their tags critiqued here!

DapperButch · 05-21-2011, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Sorry dude, wasn't trying to make you mad, I'll bow out

Not mad, but thank you.

I have no problem when questions come from a genuine place of a desire for understanding. If that is where you were coming from, then it is all good.

And certainly I have no interest in you bowing out.

DapperButch · 05-21-2011, 05:13 PM

Getting offline.

If others would like to use this thread they are more than welcome.

Thanks.

Quintease · 05-21-2011, 06:06 PM

I like bio male/female as in biologically born, with no reference to the now.

I don't like cisgendered at all and I have no discernible reason for that.

I also use XX and XY, but written rather than spoken.

Linus · 05-21-2011, 06:53 PM

I'm just a transmale on hormones. I do not claim any of the other terms as I do not find they describe me well enough.

noneoftheabove · 05-21-2011, 06:53 PM

I'm third gendered and I dislike the term cisgender. The wikipedia definition: "Cisgender (or cisgendered) is an adjective used in the context of gender issues and counselling to refer to a class of gender identities formed by a match between an individual's gender identity and the behavior or role considered appropriate for one's sex.[1] I don't think we should be labeling people according to what society thinks is appropriate behavior. I find this definition particularly offensive to women.

Linus · 05-21-2011, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julie

Now, I am curious as to why in your tags you placed these terms.

bio male, cisgendered, cissexed, transsexed, xy male

Why not the others?

Quote:

Originally Posted by DapperButch

I had to delete those because only so many tags are allowed. Since we tend to see more transsexed men at this site versus transsexed women, I figured it would be unlikely those tabs would be looked for.

I do believe I am the FIRST person to get their tags critiqued here!

Technical note as well: tags (found at the bottom of the thread) are also generated based on the topic as found in the first post, IIRC.

BullDog · 05-21-2011, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noneoftheabove

I'm third gendered and I dislike the term cisgender. The wikipedia definition: "Cisgender (or cisgendered) is an adjective used in the context of gender issues and counselling to refer to a class of gender identities formed by a match between an individual's gender identity and the behavior or role considered appropriate for one's sex.[1] I don't think we should be labeling people according to what society thinks is appropriate behavior. I find this definition particularly offensive to women.

It doesn't seem to me like anyone here would fit that definition of- an individual's gender identity matching the behavior or role considered appropriate for one's sex. How many people's gender here actually matches with what society expects of us?

And yes I agree on the woman part. The cost of conformity is high for women (as is non-conformity).

Greyson · 05-21-2011, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DapperButch

Good point about the transgendered butch who uses hormones. I myself have considered them, but do not identify as transsexed.

I am using the term transsexed b/c I was under the impression that the trans community was beginning to prefer that term over transSEXUAL.

I don't know why but I am not comfortable referring to myself as a transsexual. I prefer Trans, Transmasculine Butch and/or Transman.

I find that when I use the term cisgender or cissex, outside of people from the B-F online communities, the listening audience do not know what I am talking about. When I use the term "Biomale," they have a look of instant understanding come across their face.

Venus007 · 05-21-2011, 07:10 PM

I am a femme and I use the term woman if they present as a woman and man if they present as a man unless they tell me they prefer some other pronoun and I use what they ask me to.

DapperButch · 05-21-2011, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noneoftheabove

I'm third gendered and I dislike the term cisgender. The wikipedia definition: "Cisgender (or cisgendered) is an adjective used in the context of gender issues and counselling to refer to a class of gender identities formed by a match between an individual's gender identity and the behavior or role considered appropriate for one's sex.[1] I don't think we should be labeling people according to what society thinks is appropriate behavior. I find this definition particularly offensive to women.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BullDog

It doesn't seem to me like anyone here would fit that definition of- an individual's gender identity matching the behavior or role considered appropriate for one's sex. How many people's gender here actually matches with what society expects of us?

And yes I agree on the woman part. The cost of conformity is high for women (as is non-conformity).

I agree and this is also the reason why I used the term cissexed in my opening statement and the poll.

I put cisgendered in the tags because that term is often used in place of cissexed.

T D · 05-21-2011, 07:32 PM

I consider myself a Transman who has both male and female characteristics (I was raised female afterall). I consider my gender and sexuality to be Transman.

Going off to hang out with Snow now.

DapperButch · 05-21-2011, 07:44 PM

Ok, so I realized that I left out something rather important in the OP to explain the question.

I said:

I am wondering if how we identify impacts what term we like to use when referring to people who are born with XY chromosomes ("males") and XX chromosomes ("females").

It was half a sentence. The whole sentence should read:

I am wondering if how we identify impacts what term we like to use when referring to people who are born with XY chromosomes ("males") and XX chromosomes ("females") who feel that they were born in the right body.

Does that help?

Linus, is it possible to add that to the first post?

EnderD_503 · 05-21-2011, 07:46 PM

I like XX female/XY male best. I use cisgender as well, especially irl where its less awkward than saying "non-trans." If I'm talking about XX females or XY males specifically then I'll typically use those, but if I'm talking about non-trans people in general I find it's easier to just say cis irl.

But on the other hand that presents a problem. Mostly when I'm talking about cis people I'm talking about heteronormative/traditionally heterosexual folks who have no conflict between their reproductive organs/secondary sex features and their internal understanding of their own sex/gender, and I think it can be a whole other kettle of fish if cis is used as a generalization for the rest of the LGB community unless an individual identifies with cis specifically.

I really have come to dislike the terms biofemale and biomale. Biology encompasses more than reproductive organs, and given some of the hypotheses about the development of a fetus as "transsexed" in the womb, I'm not sure the words biomale and biofemale cover that.

Linus · 05-21-2011, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DapperButch

Ok, so I realized that I left out something rather important in the OP to explain the question.

I said:

I am wondering if how we identify impacts what term we like to use when referring to people who are born with XY chromosomes ("males") and XX chromosomes ("females").

It was half a sentence. The whole sentence should read:

I am wondering if how we identify impacts what term we like to use when referring to people who are born with XY chromosomes ("males") and XX chromosomes ("females") who feel that they were born in the right body.

Does that help?

Linus, is it possible to add that to the first post?

Done and adjusted.

DapperButch · 05-21-2011, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linus

Done and adjusted.

Thank you so much, Linus.

NJFemmie · 05-22-2011, 07:10 AM

I am ..... ME.

Kobi · 05-22-2011, 08:30 AM

Having read this over a few times, I am still confused as to what it is asking.

I am a lesbian who prefers to be called a woman.

I prefer to call others male or female cuz it is simplier.

The only time I tend to want to break it down further is if I am interested
in dating someone.

Is that in one of the poll choices?

View Poll Results: I am a _____ and I prefer the term ______
Femme and I prefer the term cissexed	11	16.67%
Femme and I prefer the terms XY Male / XX Female	2	3.03%
Femme and I prefer the terms Bio Male/ Bio Female	20	30.30%
Female Identified Butch and I prefer the term cissexed	2	3.03%
Female Identified Butch and I prefer the terms XY Male/XX Female	1	1.52%
Female Identified Butch and I prefer the terms Bio Male/Bio Female	5	7.58%
Transgendered Butch (neither male nor female) and I prefer the term cissexed	2	3.03%
Transgendered Butch (neither male nor female) and I prefer the terms XY Male and XX Female	3	4.55%
Transgendered Butch (neither male nor female) and I prefer the terms Bio Male and Bio Female	5	7.58%
Male Identified Butch and I prefer the term transsexed	0	0%
Male Identified Butch and I prefer the terms XY Male and XX Female	0	0%
Male Identified Butch and I prefer the terms Bio Male and Bio Female	2	3.03%
Transsexed person ON hormones and prefer the term cissexed	1	1.52%
Transsexed person ON hormones and I prefer the terms XY Male and XX Female	3	4.55%
Transsexed person ON hormones and I prefer the terms Bio Male and Bio Female	5	7.58%
Transsexed person NOT on hormones and I prefer the term cissexed	1	1.52%
Transsexed person NOT on hormones and I prefer the terms XY Male and XX Female	0	0%
Transsexed person NOT on hormone and I prefer the terms Bio Male and Bio Female	3	4.55%
Voters: 66. You may not vote on this poll

05-21-2011, 04:51 PM	#21
Julie Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Angel * Femme * Lesbian * Girl * Woman * Slut * Bitch * Preferred Pronoun?: She Relationship Status: No longer a Virgin Bride to Dreamer ~ May 17th, 2014 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: New York Posts: 4,674 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 17,676 Thanked 18,159 Times in 3,632 Posts Rep Power: 21474855	Now, I am curious as to why in your tags you placed these terms. bio male, cisgendered, cissexed, transsexed, xy male Why not the others? __________________ “Sometimes only one person is missing and the whole world seems depopulated.” ~ Alphonse de Lamartine - 1790-1869 http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/o...ps4d9fb6c0.jpg I Love You ~ I Love Us May 17, 2014

05-21-2011, 05:06 PM	#22
The_Lady_Snow MILLION $$$ PUSSY How Do You Identify?: Kinky, Raw, Perverted, Uber Queer Alpha Femme Preferred Pronoun?: Iconic Ms. Relationship Status: Keeper of 3, only one has the map to my freckles Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: La Reina del Sur Posts: 22,488 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 32,231 Thanked 80,120 Times in 15,678 Posts Rep Power: 21474873	Sorry dude, wasn't trying to make you mad, I'll bow out __________________ "If you’re going to play these dirty games of ours, then you might as well indulge completely. It’s all about turning back into an animal and that’s the beauty of it. Place your guilt on the sidewalk and take a blow torch to it (guilt is usually worthless anyway). Be perverted, be filthy, do things that mannered people shouldn’t do. If you’re going to be gross then go for it and don’t wimp out."---Master Aiden

05-21-2011, 05:13 PM	#25
DapperButch Roadster Guy How Do You Identify?: FTM, Stone Butch Preferred Pronoun?: He Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northeast Posts: 7,745 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 26,545 Thanked 26,892 Times in 5,770 Posts Rep Power: 21474858	Getting offline. If others would like to use this thread they are more than welcome. Thanks. __________________ -Dapper Are you educated or indoctrinated?

05-21-2011, 06:06 PM	#26
Quintease Member How Do You Identify?: Rainbow femme Preferred Pronoun?: princess Relationship Status: Married Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 514 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 508 Thanked 1,816 Times in 417 Posts Rep Power: 10345577	I like bio male/female as in biologically born, with no reference to the now. I don't like cisgendered at all and I have no discernible reason for that. I also use XX and XY, but written rather than spoken. __________________ It is not worth an intelligent person's time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

05-21-2011, 06:53 PM	#27
Linus The Planet's Technical Bubba How Do You Identify?: FTM Preferred Pronoun?: He/Him/Geek Relationship Status: Married to my forever! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Redondo Beach, CA Posts: 5,440 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 2,929 Thanked 10,743 Times in 3,176 Posts Rep Power: 21474856	I'm just a transmale on hormones. I do not claim any of the other terms as I do not find they describe me well enough. __________________ Personal Blog \|\| [] \|\| Cigar Blog "We become Human Doings instead of Human Beings." -- Ram Dass

05-21-2011, 06:53 PM	#28
noneoftheabove Junior Member How Do You Identify?: butch Preferred Pronoun?: don't care Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: United States Posts: 8 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 17 Thanked 25 Times in 6 Posts Rep Power: 0	I'm third gendered and I dislike the term cisgender. The wikipedia definition: "Cisgender (or cisgendered) is an adjective used in the context of gender issues and counselling to refer to a class of gender identities formed by a match between an individual's gender identity and the behavior or role considered appropriate for one's sex.[1] I don't think we should be labeling people according to what society thinks is appropriate behavior. I find this definition particularly offensive to women.

05-21-2011, 07:10 PM	#32
Venus007 Member How Do You Identify?: Femme Preferred Pronoun?: Serene Highness ;} Relationship Status: Dreamily contemplating some outrage against conventional morality Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Houston area Posts: 1,362 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 1,417 Thanked 4,768 Times in 1,144 Posts Rep Power: 21474852	None of the above I am a femme and I use the term woman if they present as a woman and man if they present as a man unless they tell me they prefer some other pronoun and I use what they ask me to. __________________ . "I need no warrant for being, and no word of sanction upon my being. I am the warrant and the sanction. " Ayn Rand, Anthem "So you'll die happily for your sins. You'd rather die in guilt then live in love?" Timothy Leary

05-21-2011, 07:32 PM	#34
T D Member How Do You Identify?: Person of the trans variety Preferred Pronoun?: He, Sir, Bro, TD, Stevin Relationship Status: On occasion Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 1,165 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 1,428 Thanked 1,123 Times in 310 Posts Rep Power: 3570338	I really don't get it, but..... I consider myself a Transman who has both male and female characteristics (I was raised female afterall). I consider my gender and sexuality to be Transman. Going off to hang out with Snow now. __________________ “Don’t ask what the world needs. Ask what makes you come alive, and go do it. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive.”

05-21-2011, 07:44 PM	#35
DapperButch Roadster Guy How Do You Identify?: FTM, Stone Butch Preferred Pronoun?: He Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northeast Posts: 7,745 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 26,545 Thanked 26,892 Times in 5,770 Posts Rep Power: 21474858	Ok, so I realized that I left out something rather important in the OP to explain the question. I said: I am wondering if how we identify impacts what term we like to use when referring to people who are born with XY chromosomes ("males") and XX chromosomes ("females"). It was half a sentence. The whole sentence should read: I am wondering if how we identify impacts what term we like to use when referring to people who are born with XY chromosomes ("males") and XX chromosomes ("females") who feel that they were born in the right body. Does that help? Linus, is it possible to add that to the first post? __________________ -Dapper Are you educated or indoctrinated?

05-21-2011, 07:46 PM	#36
EnderD_503 Member How Do You Identify?: Queer, trans guy, butch Preferred Pronoun?: Male pronouns Relationship Status: Relationship Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 1,329 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 4,090 Thanked 3,907 Times in 1,032 Posts Rep Power: 21474852	I like XX female/XY male best. I use cisgender as well, especially irl where its less awkward than saying "non-trans." If I'm talking about XX females or XY males specifically then I'll typically use those, but if I'm talking about non-trans people in general I find it's easier to just say cis irl. But on the other hand that presents a problem. Mostly when I'm talking about cis people I'm talking about heteronormative/traditionally heterosexual folks who have no conflict between their reproductive organs/secondary sex features and their internal understanding of their own sex/gender, and I think it can be a whole other kettle of fish if cis is used as a generalization for the rest of the LGB community unless an individual identifies with cis specifically. I really have come to dislike the terms biofemale and biomale. Biology encompasses more than reproductive organs, and given some of the hypotheses about the development of a fetus as "transsexed" in the womb, I'm not sure the words biomale and biofemale cover that.

05-22-2011, 07:10 AM	#39
NJFemmie Senior Member How Do You Identify?: The original lime-twisted femme Preferred Pronoun?: I answer to most things, especially lesbian. Relationship Status: Still loving my Mare ;) Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: New Jersey Posts: 4,683 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 1,343 Thanked 11,424 Times in 2,978 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	I am ..... ME. __________________

05-22-2011, 08:30 AM	#40
Kobi Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Biological female. Lesbian. Relationship Status: Happy Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Hanging out in the Atlantic. Posts: 9,234 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 9,840 Thanked 34,662 Times in 7,652 Posts Rep Power: 21474860	Having read this over a few times, I am still confused as to what it is asking. I am a lesbian who prefers to be called a woman. I prefer to call others male or female cuz it is simplier. The only time I tend to want to break it down further is if I am interested in dating someone. Is that in one of the poll choices? __________________