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For a really fascinating read, try "Making Programming Masculine" - http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~nathanen/files/cbi-gender.pdf . Sort of a history of how IT started out female-dominated in the 1940s and became ever more a boysport over time.
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You do not see anything wrong with a woman in her underwear on a bed with a PSP game controller plugged into her belly telling the viewer to "dream of a better world"? Can you not see the objectification of women in that? That women are simply sex toys to be plugged in and controlled? That a "better world" consists of controllable women who just want to be used? It may also be sexist to show a man in his underwear but I challenge you to find one that will deliver the same message about being controlled and being an object as that particular one does. |
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Thanks Selly, but I happen to love tulips.
of all colours. I was born in a land full of tulips Signed, -the manly one
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I see alot of things as wrong in many ads that do include both genders. All I am saying is that sexism runs rampant with both genders. MY opinion only. Not to be taken as said word. |
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The sexism that runs rampant in both genders is different.
Women are most often portrayed in *violently* sexist ads. Check out the ads that Selly posted: Particularly the ones where one woman is chained to a bed (think: sex slave) and the other ad where the woman appears to have been shot in the head. Women are also portrayed often as disjointed body parts. Random asses, breasts, mouths, legs, etc. And dont get me started on how often women are portrayed as sexual automatons (think the plug-in woman). I have often made comments about feeling like a "Stepford Pussy" when people value the body part over the person. This is reinforced daily in advertising. |
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It's nearly impossible to find comparable ads depicting men in the same manner in which they depict women. If they are out there, they are scarce.
(Unless of course I am googling the wrong search terms).
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I googled, binged and such and didn't come up with anything and if they are out there is VERY VERY scarce and it's being hidden.
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Ads that Depict Violence Against Men
Here's a good start: http://www.genderads.com/Vio._Ag._Males.html
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Also interesting to note that you don't see these things as advertisements.
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I've never seen them here. When I turn on my TV, or flip open a magazine - or drive past a billboard - I don't see ads like these. It's usually the other way around.
And ... when you consider the number of ads like these versus ads against women - again, it's far and few in between.
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As for quantifying the number of ads that show women in misogynistic, violent poses versus that of men, your point is taken, of course. It doesn't excuse those that depict men in similar positions, nor does it make those ads less offensive and demeaning to all people. |
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So a question to all about these ads: do you consider these as a way of reclaiming some privilege or as something else?
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When I was working the phones years ago I used to get all sorts of BS. Before that I worked in video retail and regularly got hassled by guys who loved my voice and would call to ask about adult films, etc. Even had guys sending me flowers and other "gifts" completely unsolicited. Sigh. My favorite personal experience was several years ago when I was working transfer support for a hosting company in New Mexico (by the way - working for a man I now employ!) and I was on a call with a "gentleman" who said "Honey, you don't know what you're talking about. Let me talk to a guy. Any guy." and I turned him over to my boss who politely listened and then said "Sir, let me have you speak to Kellie again - she's the expert in this area and can help you out." And I never had a problem with that customer again. NotAnAverageGuy - I think you might be confusing using sex to sell with sexism. Yes, both men and women are used to sell products. The difference comes in when you look at the context. It makes sense to see a man or a woman in underwear when that's what you're selling. If you're selling a domain name or web hosting please explain to me why tits and ass come into play? |
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Why is that so often when we talk about things like violence against women, someone says "you know, it happens to men once in a while too", and we find ourselves on the defensive? It's not prevalent, it's not widely accepted by society, and it's not a valid argument. I say enough of that bullshit!
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