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On anything. Mueller. What's going to happen when the new House is in place. Anything. There's already a 2020 thread. But, otherwise any political discussion, drive-by comments or sustained discussion. Whatever.
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Boy did I enjoy seeing Pelosi and Shumer stop Trump in his tracks. They kept saying maybe you want to have this discussion in private, proving how unexpected it was for him. He hasn't had serious opposition except in the Press, and we know how much he hates that. What fun! Also Pence poised behind them like a gargoyle. Hahahaha.
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Trump campaign adviser gets 2 weeks in jail for lying to FBI.....




With a sentence like this, where is the incentive to tell the truth and do the right thing?
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Lawyers for former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn argued Tuesday that their client deserved to receive no more than a year of probation and 200 hours of community...

Originally Mueller's office charged him with making 'false, fictitious, and fraudulent statements' - an offense which carries a maximum sentence of five years.

I realize he's given Mueller information, but again IMHO this is just another slap on the wrist...
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With a sentence like this, where is the incentive to tell the truth and do the right thing?
However, can you imagine how humiliating it's going to be to a guy like that?
Actual jail time would be incentive enough for someone in his shoes
not to try emulating the behavior.
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Boy did I enjoy seeing Pelosi and Shumer stop Trump in his tracks. They kept saying maybe you want to have this discussion in private, proving how unexpected it was for him. He hasn't had serious opposition except in the Press, and we know how much he hates that. What fun! Also Pence poised behind them like a gargoyle. Hahahaha.
https://youtu.be/G6UErwiuLCM I think Jeanne Moos does some great clips. Sorry I do not know how to make the video visible without going to a different tab but it is worth a look/laugh.
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Oh and in that clip.....look at Stephen Miller's face when they cut over to show Chief of Staff Kelly smiling. Priceless.....Miller that racist, self important, ass knows it is all falling apart and coming down.
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Isn't Mueller's team recommending no jail time for Flynn? I am fine with that if he has thrown Trump, Don Jr., and Kushner under the bus.

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Originally Mueller's office charged him with making 'false, fictitious, and fraudulent statements' - an offense which carries a maximum sentence of five years.

I realize he's given Mueller information, but again IMHO this is just another slap on the wrist...
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That was too funny. My favorite is Pence was powering down to save electricity.
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“The Senate on Thursday delivered back-to-back rebukes of President Trump’s embrace of Saudi Arabia, first voting to end U.S. participation in the Saudi-led war in Yemen and then unanimously approving a measure blaming the kingdom’s crown prince for the ghastly killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi.”

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“It would end U.S. support of Saudi-led airstrikes in Yemen, which is suffering from a humanitarian crisis thanks to the conflict. More than 10,000 civilians have been killed and 40,000 injured.”

Now, the outgoing Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan, has blocked the House from taking up the Yemen bill.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ill/ar-BBQRkgF

Moreover, The Guardian states that in Yemen “up to 85,000 young children dead from starvation” - children!! – a fact that I find horrific, and brings up a sadness in me. Every time I see that on the news, my eyes tear up. Because, in the main, it is with American bombs and American money that all this is happening.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...e-the-children

The Americans under Republican leadership is complicit (insofar as I am concerned) in this murder.

Ryan is a card carrying Catholic, and one of the most Conservative of the right wing Republicans. As such, he is an active pro-lifer, opposes abortion rights, opposes same-sex marriage, opposes equity pay.

Contrast Ryan with the New Zealand Prime Minister, a woman, Jacinda Ardern, who voted in favour of same-sex marriage, believes that abortion should be removed from their Criminal Code, as well as decriminalizing cannabis. She was even the first Prime Minister in New Zealand’s history who marched in a gay pride parade. Her work on pay equity for women is historic. “Pay equity deal will see women in education support roles receive 30 per cent pay rise.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/edu...-cent-pay-rise

In Canada, the majority of Canadians tend to vote for a party rather than an individual (leader), as opposed to what happens in the States, where most Americans vote for a person who embodies their ideal of “leadership”; and, I think that is where the heart of the problem lies – a kind of cult of personality - of “leadership”, especially male leadership. And, I think that it is the belief in authority that lies at the heart of this problem. It is evident and, I think, unfortunate that most Americans are never taught to “question authorityper se. Because of this deliberate and inculcated belief leading to this overt omission (supported by organized religion), it follows that there is always a rise of nationalism and its ensuing violence, all at the expense of those who are poor, those who are women, those who do not fit into the GDP ideal of capitalism, where profit is the bottom line.

I really wonder when a large sector of American women (and if) will wake up to the damage they cause because of their support of male leaders.

Also, speaking of violence, please note that gun deaths in American have reached an all time high - 40,000 last year.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/13/h...cdc/index.html
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Well, much as I appreciate charley's explanation of "Canadian" systems...please be aware that Canada has a "parliamentary system" ( despite having a snivelling lifetime appointment Senate, we don't have "checks and balances" ...tho seems you don't really have that either.

Leader of party with most members selected gets to be Prime Minister. That's it. They want to throw him/her out, they vote "no confidence" on a budgetary bill. No budget, no money, go away till we choose someone else.

Many many differences but this is at the core. We never have one guy who can have over- ruling say over a whole house of parliament. He is just one guy voted in to his seat in parliament ... just like everyone else...then selected to rep the majority party and be the PRIME minister ..everyone else is just a minister ( no PRIME) ). If he gets them to support him, and the majority and his policies, he gets them passed...otherwise too bad for him and his party.

Weird how US fought to overthrow a KING and ended up with a system that can't seem to evade having one....and Canada ended up with no revolution but an evolved representative system.

Be careful what you wish for.
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We do have checks and balances. So not perfect, but the courts have have put he brakes on Trump and the Executive many times in the last two years. And now a Democratic House means he will have to negotiate if he wants to get anything done. Trump learned he can't ignore the Courts or laws passed by Congress.

There's a lot wrong with our system. Guaranteeing two Senators to what have become pretty much depopulated states is one. Allowing partisan politicians to oversee elections. Continuing to allow gerrymandering. Allowing corporate money to influence elections via PACs, etc. The fact that third parties have no way to influence policy.

But our checks and balances are still there. It was hard seeing this fascist fuck with everything when the Republicans had both the Senate and the House. But those days are over.
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Boy did I enjoy seeing Pelosi and Shumer stop Trump in his tracks. They kept saying maybe you want to have this discussion in private, proving how unexpected it was for him. He hasn't had serious opposition except in the Press, and we know how much he hates that. What fun! Also Pence poised behind them like a gargoyle. Hahahaha.
I loved it! Trump believes if it's televised and he's in it, he will own the event with his self-described brains and charm.
Nancy Pelosi disagreed.
She totally ripped him to shreds over his ignorant, sexist comments, and while she was at it, Chuck Schumer played to the cameras as he trapped Trump into owning the absurd shutdown.
Trump seems to think he is master of every topic, whether he knows what it's about or not.
His habit of pulling facts out of his ass and bullshitting his way through complicated topics may have worked when he was CEO of his shady business empire, but he's playing with the big girls now and looking like the buffoon he is.
It's almost anticlimactic to watch the news these days and see everything coming true regarding facts Rachel Maddow gave us months earlier.
I particularly like the recent focus on Trump's company, and how his adult children Usay, Poosay and Lucretia are implicated up to their necks in tons of shady transactions.
The news about how the inauguration committee collected well over $100 million, yet they refuse to show the media the audit results is a nice fuse on a stick of dynamite. If Obama's inauguration cost a record high $170 million, perhaps it was because more than a million citizens showed up and security costs were through the roof.
Trump's skimpy inauguration cost more than $200 million, and the pilferage done by committee members and the Trump Organization has to set some kind of skimming record.
Current federal laws are lax regarding inauguration costs and audits, but I hope the Feds still manage to dig out the truth and indict anyone who took a penny they didn't earn.
The Feds should turn the screws on every sniveling crook attached to the Trump regime to show future politicians and con artists that crime doesn't pay.
Trump has often said if he's impeached or indicted, his base will hit the streets and riot. Fine with me--I have the perfect shovel to fit the face of anyone wearing a MAGA hat.
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We do have checks and balances. So not perfect, but the courts have have put he brakes on Trump and the Executive many times in the last two years. And now a Democratic House means he will have to negotiate if he wants to get anything done. Trump learned he can't ignore the Courts or laws passed by Congress.

There's a lot wrong with our system. Guaranteeing two Senators to what have become pretty much depopulated states is one. Allowing partisan politicians to oversee elections. Continuing to allow gerrymandering. Allowing corporate money to influence elections via PACs, etc. The fact that third parties have no way to influence policy.

But our checks and balances are still there. It was hard seeing this fascist fuck with everything when the Republicans had both the Senate and the House. But those days are over.

The Congress, with a huge new Democratic majority, aren't going to give Trump jack-shit. They are going to be Checks and Balance demons!
During all the midterm election campaigning, the Dems wisely avoided the "I word" (impeachment) and stuck to issues like health care and preserving pre-exising conditions.
But now that they blue waved their way to a majority, Congressional Democrats like Adam Schiff, Eric Swalwell, Joaquin Castro, Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters and many more have hinted that, come January, Trump's ass is grass and they are weed whackers. Git a rope.
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What the hell is with Susan Collins lately?? Has she lost her mind or perhaps fallen on her head?
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Voted out Republican Governor Scott Walker of Wisconsin.........
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So this is my thought about all the craziness right now. I truly believe Trump is Putin's puppet. I believe Putin is seeing all his hard work (getting Trump elected) starting to collapse. Where Putin was good with being slow and stealth, he now realizes he has to get as much done as possible before Trump is removed from office.
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It makes sense. Putin is very invested in returning control of Syria to Assad.

Wow re the chaos. Wall Street in the tank after the Fed raised interest rates as a supposed vote of confidence in the economy (Ha!) and because China and Canada are going at it (our fault). Mattis' resignation letter and Republicans losing their shit over Syria. And, last but not least, the the potential government shut down. Fucking crazy shit.
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OMG, RBG has cancer. Praying for her, for all of us.
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