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Probably a very ideological take on this, but when do Western nations transform the basis of what we stand for to Muslim nations as a means to thwart terrorist attacks?
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The one point you stated is that we should say no to the body scans. I don't understand how the avg. joe can have a body scan at any airport, but for medical reasons is denied. That to me is just wrong. I do understand that. As for the 3 packs of matches being allowed on a plane? I had no idea that was now allowed. Heck, anytime I fly, I literally have to strip, and have some guy in security wond me. So, being body scanned would be much faster for me compared to stripping in the airport, then redressing and running for a plane. Most of the time now, I fed. express my luggage ahead. Carryon is the bare min. I have to have. And I know with fed. exp. nobody is going thru my luggage. Andrew |
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In saying "transform the basis of what we stand for...", I am speaking to the long-term negative, anti-Muslim stance of western nations perceived (and, to me, often, rightly so) by the Muslim world. Our lack of knowledge and down right refusal to become educated about Muslim life and religious perspectives feeds into so much of what fundamentalist Muslim terrorist organizations use to promote strikes agains us and many other western nations. I in no way can accept the sexist nature of Muslim findamentalism, but also know that we cannot (and should not) be involved in trying to change belief systems of others or their social and political systems. I honestly feel that in order to get to a place in which we can in part, thwart attacks, respect, knowledge and diplomacy must be utilzed. Having world religion curriculum in our schools is essential in order to combat stereotyping and hatred of Muslims (and other groups, worldwide). Community outreach is essential. I do believe that we live in a dangerous world concerning terrorism and that taking steps with technology and intelligence gathering is critical. I just don't believe this is the entire answer. I am riminded of this almost daily as I shop and do other business with Muslim businesses around me (and those with Muslim employees) and witness the obvious hatred of some of the other customers. |
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"In 1998, Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri co-signed a fatwa in the name of the World Islamic Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders which declared the killing of North Americans and their allies an "individual duty for every Muslim" to "liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque (in Jerusalem) and the holy mosque (in Mecca) from their grip"." This, of course, is the Reason That We Dare Not Name. The creation of the state of Israel in 1947 left thousands of Palestinians homeless, stateless, wounded, and dead. This has continued to the present day. They (and many other Arabs/Muslims) are very very angry about the whole Israel thing, and they are very very angry with us for being their staunchest ally. Of course, this is all terribly oversimplified. Since 9/11, our entry into Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, Abu Graib, Guantanamo, et al, has given the average Muslim any number of things to be outraged by, without even taking Israel into consideration. |
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I agree in part. Our ignorance of the Muslim world is disconcerting. However, I also think that there's a trap that we could unknowingly stumble upon. I read Salman Rushdie's "The Satanic Verses" because I was curious what he could have said that would make someone put out a fatwa on him. While the book is irreverent there was nothing in there worthy of him having a death sentence put on his head. I did not see the Van Gogh movie that got him murdered in the street but all he did was make a movie about honor killings. And then, of course, there's been the various rows about cartoons showing the Prophet Mohammed. We should be very careful that we do not let others cow us into abandoning a core value. Quote:
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Anyways. There has indeed been an increase in the number of suicide attacks carried out by womyn. Perhaps the real question here though isn't how many but why. Words |
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add to that, every flight has security personal on board every plane. They take security very seriously. once out of the airport. there are security check points and armed soldiers on the streets. again, non threatening and friendly but i would not play with them. I spent 2 weeks in Israel. it was a wonderful trip. I had a very nice time but you become ever mindful of personal safety and security. wolfwalker |
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As my old commanding officer used to say "never assume that the other guy owes you the favor of being either stupid or insane". Having women carry out the attacks that men were carrying out is very good tactics on their part. Always do that which your opponent isn't expecting you to do and which is within your capabilities to pull off. Cheers Aj
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Unless you happen to be a Palestinian in which case expect to be stopped every 500 meters or so 'just because'. Blue (Jerusalem ID)? You might get away with a frisking and a lil' bit of taunting. Orange (West Bank) ID and no permit? God help you.
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AJ, With all due respect, that's too easy an answer. Yes, more womyn are being recruited to carry out attacks for strategic purposes, but surely you have to ask yourself not only why some womyn are agreeing to do it but also why some womyn are even volunteering to do it. No? That's the 'why' I was talking about. Words |
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Why do our men and women sign up for the armed services? Because they so firmly believe in something that they are willing to fight for it. I was in a Violence and Terror class, once, and then a course on the Psychology of Terrorism. One of the most serious things I took away from that course was the following exchange. We were asked to raise our hands if there was something we would kill for--a person, an idea, an object. Then, we were asked if there was something we would die for, or to protect. Then, we were asked if they were the same thing. If what you are willing to kill for and what you are willing to die for are the same. . . You have the potential to be a suicide bomber. It's all in how you look at things. . .
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I agree. Add to the above the sheer desperation factor and you end up with stories like these... http://www.aztlan.net/women_martyrs.htm |
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i think the only obvious answer is to start building bomb shelters.
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What I'm getting at is that the West is treating the symptoms of the disease called terrorism not the cause. Which of course, it will never do because as someone has already pointed out, right at the center - amongst other things - you find the situation in Israel. And so the attacks continue. I don't approve of suicide attacks. Hell, I don't approve of violence in any form. But I do understand, having lived amongst people who literally have nothing to live for, why they happen. Words |
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more on woman suicide bombers
Read about a woman who tells the story of how her father tried to make her into a suicide bomber.
http://news.bbc.co.uk Article is under features on front page.
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agreed, the most dangerous man is one with nothing left to lose. (which i'm pretty sure is why we/any country gives just enough aid to not make much of a difference.)
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