What does "woman" mean in a post-gender world?

CherylNYC · 05-26-2010, 06:39 PM

I'm trying to follow your logic, but I can't get past the title. There is no place on earth, or in cyberspace, that could be misconstrued as 'post gender'.

I hope I'm not insulting anyone here, but I have no doubt that academics who believe they've facilitated/created/willed into being a 'post gender world' are deluded. There is no place, no language, no circumstance that is not utterly suffused with gender, and assumptions, judgments and injustices based on same.

I'm sure it's interesting to some academics to theorize about some sort of idealised world that is fully populated by people with slippery ambiguous genders defined only by themselves, and where those genders can be as changeable as the phases of the moon. That world exists in the minds of people who have been having fun making it up, kind of like a video game.

If anyone would like to remember what it means to work in the real world with men who have NO gender ambiguity WHATSOEVER, I invite you to visit me in the scene shop.

OK. It's safe to come back out, now. The grouchy old curmudgeon has retired for a nap.

Heart · 05-26-2010, 07:19 PM

Cheryl -- I'm not a proponent of the term post-gender, as I said above. I just used the term to frame this discussion in this thread. In this little online world we do a lot of what might be considered gender deconstruction. That's what made me think of "post gender." I'm not an academic - so maybe I misused the phrase. Anyway, post-gender is not the important part. Exploring identifying as/with (or not) "woman" is the important part.

SuperFemme · 05-26-2010, 08:04 PM

I'm interested in hearing your responses to the OP Heart.

05-26-2010, 06:39 PM	#1
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05-26-2010, 07:19 PM	#2
Heart Member How Do You Identify?: Femme Relationship Status: rainbows! Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: NY Posts: 466 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 303 Thanked 2,531 Times in 412 Posts Rep Power: 12032609	Cheryl -- I'm not a proponent of the term post-gender, as I said above. I just used the term to frame this discussion in this thread. In this little online world we do a lot of what might be considered gender deconstruction. That's what made me think of "post gender." I'm not an academic - so maybe I misused the phrase. Anyway, post-gender is not the important part. Exploring identifying as/with (or not) "woman" is the important part. Last edited by Heart; 05-26-2010 at 07:23 PM.

05-26-2010, 08:04 PM	#3
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