OSAMA BINLADEN IS DEAD

[Rook]

I don't mean to rain on folks parade, much less piss in the collective Wheaties...
This is my opinion...
What if said "snake" is a Hydra?...
Cut off one head, 3 more shoot up, and no I do not agree with the analogy of a Presidential assassination for that very reason..There IS such a thing as Presidential line of Succession...
Mr. President died? Ok Mr. Vice-Prez takes over, they shot him too?? Ok, NEXT.....
I too am glad there's one less Terrorist, however I will agree with a few in saying this was a very very public Headhunting expedition for a very long time, and they claim they "Buried" his ass in the Ocean in accordance to supposed Islamic Laws?
Are you aware that there's no such thing as dumping a dead corpse in the Ocean being mandatory funeral service?...
Yes, the corpse must be washed. by Loved ones, it also must be enshrouded in pure cotton, and returned to the EARTH within 24 hrs, quite similar in reasons as Judaic mandates.
When I heard the Ocean deal, 2 things popped up in my head
a-} This will be fodder for skeptics and conspiracy theorists galore [like another poster here]
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b-} All these years, hunting that little prick, starting wars, killing civilians left and right and of course Service men and women..and they dump his fucking body rather quickly in the Ocean after a covert Shoot-out in a Country that has had the U.S. of A stepping on eggshells for years???
It's kind of fishy, hell I even thought "Well, maybe the SEALS in their pissed off hyperness just Threw him overboard to be done with the headache"..
But then, where's the Proof of either capture, death or Success, other than their "solemn" word....
Someone even pointed out it could be a Double for Osama, I kind of doubt it, Obama did say after quite some time of verifying stuff, he gave the "ok", and yes I'm aware Obamas public rating is in the floor for quite a few reasons...
One of them is people expected him to be mr. superman-fix-it-all-NOW, apparently ignoring the fact a President can't do much w/o Congress...
My final pet peeve is, do you remember when 9/11 occured? I'm more than sure that is ingrained in our memories like a very bad nightmare come true.
When they broadcast all those Peasants, all of those "anti-Amrikan" muslims in faraway Countries...Singing and Dancing...
The bitter sting of being disrespected in such a way that many americans commited quite a few hate crimes by Attacking anyone remotely Identified with either Islam, or the stereotype of Islam...
Who's to say those people on tv, singing and dancing..
Chanting U.S.A as if we were in the Olympics and winning Gold medals, don't provoke the exact same bitterness in other Countries that quite seriously detest U.S. Policies on "helping" other countries?...
We should've been the Better Man, it's great we're pleased there's closure for those victims Families, but we should've done our own "praising" without throwing a very visible Party over the Death of a very dangerous man who lead a very Fanatic terrorist Faction.
They did worse? Ok, true..
But, like my momma always asked..
"If your friends Jumped off the fucking bridge, u gonna do it too?"

Again, just my 2cents

[Julie]

why wouldn't the president lie about this? Presidents lie about simple things, such as blow jobs. If you can lie about something relatively mundane, you lie about something big.

And burial at sea? Serious - Is anybody really buying this? We killed a man (a bad man) and that is against Muslim law, yet we bury him at sea. They did not want his place to be a public shrine?

And if this is true, we in fact did kill him - what do you think his people are going to do now? Of course they have been planning for years what to do next - BUT - these are angry people without logic, who base their decisions on a religion which has been fabricated for Jihad (the Koran does not teach this). Do not for a second think we are safe. Now, it is much worse - if we were at an orange danger, expect a red.

Their leader has been killed. The man they worship as a god. And we are dancing in the streets.
Might as well put a big pink target on us.

God Bless America?!? Are you kidding, America is going to need more than a blessing.

Sleep Tight People!
Julie

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by Jess

Yeah, I hadn't heard about any of this until I woke up today and thus far the story keeps changing and revealing more as the morning progresses. I think it premature to form any "real" opinions about any of the "facts" until it has all had time to be processed.

I am quite sure that any photo of any human shot in the head would be gruesome.

Will just keep listening as things unfold.

I'm with you- as usual, reporting and source checking via all of the news networks is on rapid fire. There is a lot we do not know about yet. But, you can bet there will people that doubt every single thing about this- there always is. Photo rigging, the timing in terms of political gain, etc. The fact is that we do not get the details of every step in these kinds of situations.

Like you- I can wait for some information that isn't mixed in the heat of the moment. But, the na-sayers will say nay... the level of distrust about government in the US today runs deep. Some of it, I understand, some of it I don't- some is irrational.

Yup.... taking my time with allowing things to unfold. I do absolutely believe he is dead and I am much more interested in the Pakistan factor in why he was where he was for so long. But, have to wait for the goods on that, too. But it does bother me that people are bashing the US government, military and Obama, but are not questioning Pakistan's role in why the hell he was 5 miles from their highest military training academy and 35 miles from their capital.

[Laidbackgrly]

I have to see his cold dead carkus before i beleive it!

[Ciaran]

Ok, so he's dead. There might be some sense of accomplishment or feeling that the bogeyman is dead but that's all he was, a bogeyman.

The islamist extremist / jihadist threat was always and has always been much more than about Bin Laden even if sometimes the western media have personified the threat through Bin Laden. By all accounts, Bin Laden had limited practical leadership for most of the last decade and, in any event, there are thousands ready and willing to take his place.

I'd celebrate if a war was won or terrorism was defeated. However, that's not the case. No celebrations from my (admittedly non-American) perspective.

[Apocalipstic]

I, as always, am suspicious. I wonder if Presidents really know what is going on? Do they tell them the truth? Who is they?

If indeed he is dead, I would like to see our troops come home and given the medical and mental health assistance they need to return to their lives.

[Queerasfck]

It's all good. Apretty's got this. She's locked and loaded with her guns ready.....one in the chamber. Right now she's got our condo on heightened security lock down, def con "orange".

However, I have to worry about her judgement! She's been up in our cul-de-sac partying all night with our neighbors!

Yippee ki-yay muthas


send healing light and your prayers!

[Ebon]

He's been dead for awhile. This poor lady Benazir Bhutto was murdered after this.

[apretty]

exactly this:

Originally Posted by Ciaran

Ok, so he's dead. There might be some sense of accomplishment or feeling that the bogeyman is dead but that's all he was, a bogeyman.

The islamist extremist / jihadist threat was always and has always been much more than about Bin Laden even if sometimes the western media have personified the threat through Bin Laden. By all accounts, Bin Laden had limited practical leadership for most of the last decade and, in any event, there are thousands ready and willing to take his place.

I'd celebrate if a war was won or terrorism was defeated. However, that's not the case. No celebrations from my (admittedly non-American) perspective.

[Ms. Tabitha]

When Saddam was captured he was all over the news. He was hung, and the world was happy.
Osama is shot, twice. We see footage of the blood stained floor, why can't we see pictures of his body?
I think we should still see it. Just my opinion.

[girl_dee]

Originally Posted by Ms. Tabitha

When Saddam was captured he was all over the news. He was hung, and the world was happy.
Osama is shot, twice. We see footage of the blood stained floor, why can't we see pictures of his body?
I think we should still see it. Just my opinion.

I completely agree, and why not show the video of the *burial at sea*

[The_Lady_Snow]

It's a somber household here, I now worry about my life long friend Dickie Padilla who's over in the middle east, our brothers, sisters, parents and children out there on the frontlines.

It's not a time to celebrate for me, I just hope they come home soon.

[Kobi]

I dont see the value of showing pictures of blood stained, dead bodies or burials at sea even if it is of public enemy number 1.

Flaunting the death of an "enemy" is ill advised, as well as grotesque.

Not creating an "enemy" seems a wiser choice.

[Apocalipstic]

Originally Posted by Kobi

Not creating an "enemy" seems a wiser choice.

What she said!

[princessbelle]

IMO....

If our President was killed America would not fall. We would rise. We would get us another leader and be screaming with weapons across the skies, water and land at the ones responsible. As a few have said here ...there are hundreds that will more than likely raise their hand to take Bin Laden's place.

So, where does that leave us on this planet? IMO it leaves us with an extremely pissed off group of his followers/army who are capable of unthinkable acts of violence.

I pray for our troups and their families. I, like everyone, want them home where they belong. I am proud of them and hurt for them at the same time. I don't believe that killing Bin Laden will accomplish bringing our troups home or make us safer.

I do think he should have been captured/killed but not sure exactly it will accomplish a thing.

I am normally not a pessimist but i have a rather sick feeling about this. I don't believe this is an end to anything. As a matter of fact...it may just be the beginning.

[Novelafemme]

An interesting perspective that echoes my feelings...

http://http://truthout.org/chris-hed...ath/1304343151

...specifically this portion: "When I was in New York, as some of you were, on 9/11, I was in Times Square when the second plane hit. I walked into The New York Times, I stuffed notebooks in my pocket and walked down the West Side Highway and was at Ground Zero four hours later. I was there when Building 7 collapsed. And I watched as a nation drank deep from that very dark elixir of American nationalism … the flip side of nationalism is always racism, it’s about self-exaltation and the denigration of the other."

[Nat]

I think this is complex. I've been listening to Al-Jazeera and Npr this morning, and I've also been reading different friends' from different circles reactions.

My understanding is that many Pakistanis feel their sovereignty has been violated. Also, possibly that the command was to kill him rather than to capture OR kill. There is the hope that since he was found in a city rather than in the hills between Afghanistan and Pakistan, that maybe there can be negotiation for the drone strikes to stop now.

A Marine stationed in Afghanistan was interviewed on NPR and he stated the general mood where he was stationed was mixed relief along with the knowledge that they have at least 6 more months to go. They have not been celebrating but have been cautiously discussing the event with Afghanis, and he said the people in the area where he is have said it's good bin Laden is dead.

There is a story that bin Laden's wife threw herself in front of him and shielded him with her body - and that she was killed too - and there was a mention of how that sort of story is likely to be seen as heroic.

The fact he was buried at sea has also been discussed. Many Americans are talking about conspiracy theories or at least distrust regarding the information given. One of the interviewees on Al Jazeera said it was probably done because it was practical. That if they had buried him, his burial place could have become a shrine and that it would have been inappropriate to bring him back to the US. I suppose I like the sea burial better than having pictures of his dead and mangled body on the front cover of newspapers and on tv (like they did with Saddam's sons under Bush), but to me it seems very weird to dump his body at sea before anybody starts asking hard questions. I do hope all this means that things can become more peaceful and that the world can stop being so us-against-them for a while. (no matter which us and which them).

A girl I've know since elementary school now lives in Turkey. This was her reaction last night: A decade and a pan-Middle East genocide later, he's dead. The MOST conservative estimates put the number of civilian deaths across Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq at around 300,000. So, please excuse me if I don't join in on the jubilation.

I think it's important to remember that although bin laden was (as I see it) a villain, al qaeda's success in radicalizing young Muslims has been fed a great deal by what has been perceived as injustice toward Muslims as well.

[Novelafemme]

Duality. self vs. other. So what happens, when we realize that...self/other are two sides of the same coin? As a result we are inextricably interconnected. To destroy one is to destroy All. We only hurt our"selves". Until then we are like mice in a wheel, running to stand still.

[Glenn]

If gas goes back to 0.99 per gallon, I'll dance a Fandango. Otherwise, I could give a f*** about any of these "villians."

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by popcorninthesofa

If gas goes back to 0.99 per gallon, I'll dance a Fandango. Otherwise, I could give a f*** about any of these "villians."

Gas is @ 3.93 here, his death increased prices overnight by 10 cents. Bleah!