[CherylNYC]

Whether and when women denigrate themselves, each other, or men is not the subject of the article. It's an article about what men say to each other when they think they're just amongst other men like themselves. It's furthermore about the duty that people who once were female, or at least female bodied, have to not let those comments pass.

It's endlessly irritating to me that we can't simply discuss male misogyny without having to add that 'women say f**ked up stuff, too'. Or my favourite, 'Women abuse/rape men, too'. It's really, really OK to talk about male misogyny without talking about ways in which women fail. Really.

As for the actual content of the article, I've often found myself repulsed and threatened by what men have said to each other when they thought women weren't listening. I work with a great many giant, well fed men whose job is to lift and move scenery from here to there. While there are plenty who do not, and would not, say the things I find most horrifying, they're also not in the habit of challenging those who do. There have been far too many times when I've found myself on the other side of a piece of scenery while the abovementioned oversized men have said something particularly violent and threatening about specific women, or women in general. The few times when they've realised I was within earshot, they've been embarrassed and apologetic.