[princessbelle]

Originally Posted by Gemme

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Okay. I can give you that. I see that. The literal versus figurative analogy. A lot of wires can get crossed when different sides are coming from difference perspectives and I totally get this.

BUT

My panties get into an absolute snarl when it feels like someone is saying 'you are wrong' instead of 'that isn't for me and this is why'. The 'daydreaming' comment feels dismissive to me, like someone's ideal isn't "real enough" for someone else who is not involved in their life at all and not affected by their life choices at all.

Why can't that role be someone's REAL world? Why must the weight of history rest on the shoulders of some girl or guy who just wants to make their partner fucking dinner and do it in an apron and maybe in heels and probably with some rouge on?

The daydreaming remark wasn't meant to be dismissive. It was meant to be what it is...daydreaming. If we are going to debate whether or not most of us could go back to the 1950s and live as we live today or actually, how it has been represented, actually live a better, more mannerly, more pleasant life or however anyone wants to spin it, i truly do challenge that.

It's the romanticizing and the thought that things were better for everyone back then, attitude that gets MY panties into an absolute snarl.

I don't think anyone here cares how anyone lives their lives or has a relationship. That is not what this discussion is about, as far as i see. What ruffles some of us is the notion that "then" was better. It wasn't. At least it wasn't for women, minorities and especially not better for gays.

This has nothing to do with whether someone chooses to work or not, or wear an apron or whatever. FAR from it. It is about logistics, where we are now and where we came from and where MANY of us never want to go back to.