Gender/ID breakdown

Linus · 06-01-2010, 02:58 PM

I don't know if I'll get all the variations (let me know if I missed something and I'll try to add it) but I'm curious as to the breakdown of gender/sex IDs. (pure curiosity sake).

If I missed something, let me know.

Selenay · 06-01-2010, 03:08 PM

Why do the only variations of 'queer' come with another stipulation? (Femme/queer, queer/butch, etc.)

I don't identify as queer femme but there is no way to identify as queer without the second implication.

Linus · 06-01-2010, 03:08 PM

That's why I said let me know if I missed any. I'll add queer by itself.

BullDog · 06-01-2010, 03:10 PM

I think of my gender as butch woman and lesbian as part of my sexuality. I could be covered under the just Butch category though.

Linus · 06-01-2010, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BullDog

I think of my gender as butch woman and lesbian as part of my sexuality. I could be covered under the just Butch category though.

Ok.

Do you think I should reverse the category to be butch/lesbian then?

I put butch as separate for those that do not lay claim to queer or lesbian but just butch.

BullDog · 06-01-2010, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Linus

Ok.

Do you think I should reverse the category to be butch/lesbian then?

I put butch as separate for those that do not lay claim to queer or lesbian but just butch.

Well some people do think of lesbian as part of their identity. Not to criticize, it is just a bit curious that woman and man is not in any of the gender categories.

WolfyOne · 06-01-2010, 03:15 PM

I couldn't respond to your poll Linus because like Bull Dog, I consider myself a butch woman.

Can you clarify what just Butch is?
You have variations with the other ID's, just not that one.

Linus · 06-01-2010, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BullDog

Well some people do think of lesbian as part of their identity. Not to criticize, it is just a bit curious that woman and man is not in any of the gender categories.

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Originally Posted by WolfyOne

I couldn't respond to your poll Linus because like Bull Dog, I consider myself a butch woman.

Can you clarify what just Butch is?
You have variations with the other ID's, just not that one.

I've modified the Lesbian/Butch option to read Butch/Lesbian/Woman. Does that help?

Sam · 06-01-2010, 03:19 PM

male, no need to change anything. transguy is cool

Melissa · 06-01-2010, 04:12 PM

I clicked a button on the poll as lesbian/femme. But just as a general question to all, why do you think we need to ID as anything? What is the purpose of a gender ID?

Melissa

MsMerrick · 06-01-2010, 05:26 PM

There's a presumption that Queer and Lesbian, are not simultaneously possible..
and therefore, I am not voting

<---- Queer Lesbian Femme here...

Stoney · 06-01-2010, 05:34 PM

butch/lesbian/womon.....my vote...... ( and stone) but ya cant vote twice.....lol

all is covered for me!

Lady Pamela · 06-01-2010, 06:11 PM

I am proudly FEMME LESBIAN.

But I also do some things that some consider not within that range:

Such as camping on a rougher style, using tools, wrestling very rough etc.

So I guess at times I am considered to have a lil tom-boi in me..lol

I just think it is a playful..creative twist in me...smiles

Galahad · 06-01-2010, 06:54 PM

So, where is genderqueer? I was just getting used to it. Are we not using the term anymore? Gone the way of the dinosaurs? I forgot, third gendered is missing too.

Linus · 06-01-2010, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galahad

So, where is genderqueer? I was just getting used to it. Are we not using the term anymore? Gone the way of the dinosaurs?

Added.

As I said, if I missed any please ask.

AtLast · 06-01-2010, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galahad

So, where is genderqueer? I was just getting used to it. Are we not using the term anymore? Gone the way of the dinosaurs? I forgot, third gendered is missing too.

And other- gendered... but, the options do cover quite a bit.

Hummm.. how about non-gender-focused?

Melissa · 06-01-2010, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady Pamela

I am proudly FEMME LESBIAN.

But I also do some things that some consider not within that range:

Such as camping on a rougher style, using tools, wrestling very rough etc.

So I guess at times I am considered to have a lil tom-boi in me..lol

I just think it is a playful..creative twist in me...smiles

Lady Pamela

I do not think gender ID determines likes and dislikes or actions. These types of limitations were used to justify why women couldn't vote or sit on juries or play sports just a few decades ago. It goes back to my earlier question of why do we even have gender IDs? What purpose do they serve both on a personal and a social level?

Melissa (a femme lesbian who loves to fish, buy power tools, is much more DIY handier than my butch, who doesn't paint her nails or wear make up or jewelry).

Melissa · 06-01-2010, 07:26 PM

I've been thinking about this thread and tracing all the gender IDs I've had over the last 20 years. Here's my ID chain

Gay -> Lesbian -> Lesbian Femme -> stone femme...........

I've noticed that my ID seems to change along with Rufuboi's ID. I was just a plain ol lesbian femme when I met Rufusboi who ID'ed as a stone butch. What's a stone butch, I asked, when we first met. Rufusboi explained. What's a stone femme, I asked. Well, he thought it was a person who dated stone butches. So your now a stone femme, he said. Ok, cool.

Rufusboi is now transitioning and will be going on T. We talked about how he would ID. I asked him will you ID as male, a transman, a FTM. He decided he will ID as a transman. ok, cool.

So now I'm thinking I will change my ID again. Transfemme? Translesbian? Translesbianfemme? Translesbianstonefemme? gaylesbianstonetransfemme?

Oh how I wish for the days of just being gay!

Oh and let's not forget my neighbors think Rufusboi is my husband. It appears, we have just recently discovered, that we pass as a heterosexual couple. Who knew!!!! I'm leaving hetero out of the ID mix though, as its the one thing I've never envisioned myself.

Melissa [the hetero passing gaylesbianstonetransfemme]

Gayla · 06-01-2010, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Melissa

I've been thinking about this thread and tracing all the gender IDs I've had over the last 20 years.

This is why I just went with butch.

My chain is probably just as long but it started with butch and has gone through a bunch of different other things that are butch-related. When I think through all the links in my chain, I think I even confuse myself with some it! All of them have been important and many are still valid today but I can't say they will be tomorrow. I can say, with 99.1% certainty, that the butch part still will be though, so I picked it!

Darth Denkay · 06-06-2010, 11:27 AM

My experience exactly. I started out identifying as butch, then went through a whole series of additional identity tags (butch was always there) and now I'm back identifying as butch.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gayla

This is why I just went with butch.

My chain is probably just as long but it started with butch and has gone through a bunch of different other things that are butch-related. When I think through all the links in my chain, I think I even confuse myself with some it! All of them have been important and many are still valid today but I can't say they will be tomorrow. I can say, with 99.1% certainty, that the butch part still will be though, so I picked it!

View Poll Results: How do you ID?
Lesbian/Femme	34	17.00%
Queer/Femme	27	13.50%
Femme	9	4.50%
Butch/Lesbian/Woman	19	9.50%
Queer/Butch (female-ID)	3	1.50%
Queer/Butch (male-ID)	4	2.00%
Butch	14	7.00%
FTM/Transguy	21	10.50%
Androgenous	0	0%
Other/no ID	7	3.50%
MTF/Transwoman	0	0%
Queer	6	3.00%
Stone Femme Queer	9	4.50%
Stone Femme Lesbian	4	2.00%
Stone Femme	4	2.00%
Stone Butch	8	4.00%
Stone Butch Lesbian	0	0%
Stone Butch Queer	2	1.00%
Queer Girl (Woman)	6	3.00%
Queer Boy/Boi (Man)	0	0%
Transgendered Male Id'd Butch Human	6	3.00%
Bi-Gender	2	1.00%
Intersexed	1	0.50%
genderqueer	7	3.50%
Transgender Stone Butch	7	3.50%
Voters: 200. You may not vote on this poll

06-01-2010, 02:58 PM	#1
Linus The Planet's Technical Bubba How Do You Identify?: FTM Preferred Pronoun?: He/Him/Geek Relationship Status: Married to my forever! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Redondo Beach, CA Posts: 5,440 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 2,929 Thanked 10,727 Times in 3,172 Posts Rep Power: 21474857	Gender/ID breakdown I don't know if I'll get all the variations (let me know if I missed something and I'll try to add it) but I'm curious as to the breakdown of gender/sex IDs. (pure curiosity sake). If I missed something, let me know. __________________ Personal Blog \|\| [] \|\| Cigar Blog "We become Human Doings instead of Human Beings." -- Ram Dass

06-01-2010, 03:08 PM	#2
Selenay Member How Do You Identify?: A soul for a compass and a heart for a pair of wings. Preferred Pronoun?: All I ask of living is to have no chains on me. Relationship Status: All I own are the strides I spend to the finish line. Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Somewhere in between here and gone. Posts: 662 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 110 Thanked 1,447 Times in 369 Posts Rep Power: 6344715	Why do the only variations of 'queer' come with another stipulation? (Femme/queer, queer/butch, etc.) I don't identify as queer femme but there is no way to identify as queer without the second implication. __________________ Two or three things I know for sure, And one is that I would rather go naked Than wear the coat the world has made for me.

06-01-2010, 03:08 PM	#3
Linus The Planet's Technical Bubba How Do You Identify?: FTM Preferred Pronoun?: He/Him/Geek Relationship Status: Married to my forever! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Redondo Beach, CA Posts: 5,440 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 2,929 Thanked 10,727 Times in 3,172 Posts Rep Power: 21474857	That's why I said let me know if I missed any. I'll add queer by itself. __________________ Personal Blog \|\| [] \|\| Cigar Blog "We become Human Doings instead of Human Beings." -- Ram Dass

06-01-2010, 03:10 PM	#4
BullDog Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Dominant Stone Butch Daddy Preferred Pronoun?: She Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: In A Healing Place Posts: 5,371 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 18,160 Thanked 22,666 Times in 4,464 Posts Rep Power: 21474856	I think of my gender as butch woman and lesbian as part of my sexuality. I could be covered under the just Butch category though. __________________ Love consists in this, that two solitudes protect and touch and greet each other. - Rainer Maria Rilke

06-01-2010, 03:15 PM	#7
WolfyOne Magically Delicious How Do You Identify?: Gentle Butch Relationship Status: Single and content Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Minnesota Posts: 6,558 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 22,052 Thanked 15,397 Times in 4,140 Posts Rep Power: 21474858	I couldn't respond to your poll Linus because like Bull Dog, I consider myself a butch woman. Can you clarify what just Butch is? You have variations with the other ID's, just not that one. __________________ Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength; loving someone deeply gives you courage --- Lao Tzo

06-01-2010, 03:19 PM	#9
Sam Timed Out How Do You Identify?: Permanently Banned 2/11/2011 Preferred Pronoun?: He Relationship Status: I'll let you know Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,131 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 1,101 Thanked 668 Times in 363 Posts Rep Power: 0	male, no need to change anything. transguy is cool

06-01-2010, 04:12 PM	#10
Melissa Member How Do You Identify?: Femme Preferred Pronoun?: she Relationship Status: married Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 269 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 262 Thanked 587 Times in 195 Posts Rep Power: 2134101	I clicked a button on the poll as lesbian/femme. But just as a general question to all, why do you think we need to ID as anything? What is the purpose of a gender ID? Melissa

06-01-2010, 05:26 PM	#11
MsMerrick Member How Do You Identify?: Queer Feminist Femme.... Preferred Pronoun?: She Relationship Status: Single and Singular.... Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: New York City.... Posts: 277 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 855 Thanked 646 Times in 166 Posts Rep Power: 4638166	There's a presumption that Queer and Lesbian, are not simultaneously possible.. and therefore, I am not voting <---- Queer Lesbian Femme here...

06-01-2010, 05:34 PM	#12
Stoney Member How Do You Identify?: Stone Butch lesbian feminist Crone Preferred Pronoun?: Wicked Witch Relationship Status: happily content Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 135 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 112 Thanked 229 Times in 60 Posts Rep Power: 245965	butch/lesbian/womon.....my vote...... ( and stone) but ya cant vote twice.....lol all is covered for me!

06-01-2010, 06:11 PM	#13
Lady Pamela Senior Member How Do You Identify?: A Lady..Femme..Free Spirit with a touch of survivalist woman in me. Preferred Pronoun?: Spiritual Warrior..She Ra..Baby Doll, or anything close..ha! Relationship Status: In perfect love and perfect trust I believe that will be directed..for now Just friends in my life. Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Live in Utah but take trips to Arkansas. Plan to move there eventually. Posts: 2,579 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 11,073 Thanked 5,940 Times in 1,609 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	I am proudly FEMME LESBIAN. But I also do some things that some consider not within that range: Such as camping on a rougher style, using tools, wrestling very rough etc. So I guess at times I am considered to have a lil tom-boi in me..lol I just think it is a playful..creative twist in me...smiles __________________ Believe what people show you the first time. It will keep you in balance, and will show you truth! ~~ Author unknown ~~ When negative thoughts come to mind, Let them die stillborn. Speak and do posotive in any situation, And watch your dreams grow and flurish. If you can't say anything posotive, Zip it up. Do not give birth to that which you do not want to see grow. See it, Believe it, Own it, Have it! ~~ Lady Pamela ~~

06-01-2010, 06:54 PM	#14
Galahad Member How Do You Identify?: do I have to? Relationship Status: single Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: I.E. Southern California Posts: 425 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 1,300 Thanked 339 Times in 151 Posts Rep Power: 1446604	So, where is genderqueer? I was just getting used to it. Are we not using the term anymore? Gone the way of the dinosaurs? I forgot, third gendered is missing too.

06-01-2010, 07:26 PM	#18
Melissa Member How Do You Identify?: Femme Preferred Pronoun?: she Relationship Status: married Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 269 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 262 Thanked 587 Times in 195 Posts Rep Power: 2134101	I've been thinking about this thread and tracing all the gender IDs I've had over the last 20 years. Here's my ID chain Gay -> Lesbian -> Lesbian Femme -> stone femme........... I've noticed that my ID seems to change along with Rufuboi's ID. I was just a plain ol lesbian femme when I met Rufusboi who ID'ed as a stone butch. What's a stone butch, I asked, when we first met. Rufusboi explained. What's a stone femme, I asked. Well, he thought it was a person who dated stone butches. So your now a stone femme, he said. Ok, cool. Rufusboi is now transitioning and will be going on T. We talked about how he would ID. I asked him will you ID as male, a transman, a FTM. He decided he will ID as a transman. ok, cool. So now I'm thinking I will change my ID again. Transfemme? Translesbian? Translesbianfemme? Translesbianstonefemme? gaylesbianstonetransfemme? Oh how I wish for the days of just being gay! Oh and let's not forget my neighbors think Rufusboi is my husband. It appears, we have just recently discovered, that we pass as a heterosexual couple. Who knew!!!! I'm leaving hetero out of the ID mix though, as its the one thing I've never envisioned myself. Melissa [the hetero passing gaylesbianstonetransfemme]