I am... and I prefer the term...

DapperButch · 05-21-2011, 03:23 PM

POLL ATTACHED (but it takes a minute to put up, so hang on!). PLEASE look at ALL choices before choosing. You can only choose one...and there is no "do-overs!"

There has been talk here and there about the term cissexed (and the term cisgendered, but since I am referring to one's sex, I am going to use the term cissexed, exclusively), and if people like the term or don't like the term to refer to themselves or to refer to people who are the opposite of them.

I am wondering if how we identify impacts what term we like to use when referring to people who are born with XY chromosomes ("males") and XX chromosomes ("females") who feel that they were born in the right body.

So, I am curious and thought I would put up a poll garnering information on the preferences we all have and would like to have an open discussion (going in any and all directions) about the term and our feelings about the use of the term.

Disclaimer(s):

I have separated out transsexed people taking hormones (testosterone, estrogen) from transsexed people not taking hormones because I think it is possible that these two groups could differ in their preference of term, and I would like that reflected in the poll.

I am not going to go into my thinking on that because it could get us off track from what I am hoping this thread becomes about.

I hope people know me well enough to know that I do not regard the non hormone taking transsexed male/female as any less male/female than the hormone taking transsexed male/female.

I am aware that this poll does not include folks who don't identify as butch, femme, or transsexed, but I would be here forever coming up with options. Just pick the closest one in order to participate. One of the terms must resonate with you or you wouldn't be on the site to begin with.

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Personally, as a Transgendered Butch, I have no strong feelings about the term cissexed, but tend to prefer the terms XY male and XX female.

The_Lady_Snow · 05-21-2011, 03:46 PM

I'm Snow. Femme-Dyke-Woman?

ruffryder · 05-21-2011, 03:52 PM

WOW. lots of terms. Can you please explain the terms "cissexed" and "transsexed" I would appreciate it. Thank you!

DapperButch · 05-21-2011, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruffryder_0187

WOW. lots of terms. Can you please explain the terms "cissexed" and "transsexed" I would appreciate it. Thank you!

Good question.

Sex - male, female, intersexed, other terms (?)

Transsexed - another term to mean transsexual. Someone who defines/identifies as the opposite sex of their birth sex

Cissexed - another term to mean cissexual. Someone who defines/identifies with their birth sex.

DapperButch · 05-21-2011, 03:58 PM

Hey, Snow. I just saw the title to your post.

Of course everyone can participate in the discussion. I was referring to the poll options in my first response to you.

ruffryder · 05-21-2011, 04:03 PM

I am transgender consider hormones and I prefer the term transsexed.

Toughy · 05-21-2011, 04:04 PM

wiki does a pretty good job

cis-gendered: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender

cis-sexual: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cissexual , (from urban dictionary) http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...term=cissexual

and this from Pam's House Blend: http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/...goalong-moment

I am not fond of the term cis anything. Don't no why it gets under my skin, but it does.

DapperButch · 05-21-2011, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toughy

wiki does a pretty good job

cis-gendered: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender

cis-sexual: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cissexual , (from urban dictionary) http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...term=cissexual

and this from Pam's House Blend: http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/...goalong-moment

I am not found of the term cis anything. Don't no why it gets under my skin, but it does.

Thanks for the links, Toughy.

ruffryder · 05-21-2011, 04:07 PM

I think I agree with you Toughy. Why would a trans person like the word cis?? To me Trans means opposite sex why would someone choose that they relate with their sex? hmmm..

Julie · 05-21-2011, 04:10 PM

May I am confused... (not picking apart)

But you define: Cissexed - another term to mean cissexual. Someone who defines/identifies with their birth sex.

But then you have Femme/Bio Male - Bio Female

What would the difference be - in the femme category.

If I was born a bio female and I am femme... And I identify with my Bio Birth Sex - then which one am I?

And I am honestly not picking apart.

I had a great conversation with a friend yesterday... About misconceptions of b/f (sexism, etc... what gets us off and not).

I am a Lesbian
I am a Femme
I am a Dyke
I am a Woman

(not in any order - depends on my moment).

BUT - within the confines of your poll, I do not know how to answer.

Femme / Bio Male - Bio Female
Femme / Cissexed
Femme / XX or XY (abhor genetic terms)

Julie

DapperButch · 05-21-2011, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julie

May I am confused... (not picking apart)

But you define: Cissexed - another term to mean cissexual. Someone who defines/identifies with their birth sex.

But then you have Femme/Bio Male - Bio Female

What would the difference be - in the femme category.

If I was born a bio female and I am femme... And I identify with my Bio Birth Sex - then which one am I?

And I am honestly not picking apart.

I had a great conversation with a friend yesterday... About misconceptions of b/f (sexism, etc... what gets us off and not).

I am a Lesbian
I am a Femme
I am a Dyke
I am a Woman

(not in any order - depends on my moment).

BUT - within the confines of your poll, I do not know how to answer.

Femme / Bio Male - Bio Female
Femme / Cissexed
Femme / XX or XY (abhor genetic terms)

Julie

I'm sorry Julie. I should been clearer. The first spot is indicating how you identify, the next one is the term that you prefer when referring to a person who is not transsexual/transsexed.

I will see if I can fix the poll. Thank you.

Side note: Like you and Snow, I identify with more than just the above poll options.

ETA: I am unable to adjust the poll.

ruffryder · 05-21-2011, 04:18 PM

However,

Cissexual is an adjective used in the context of gender issues to describe "people who are not transsexual and who have only ever experienced their mental and physical sexes as being aligned".[1] Nikki Sullivan and Samantha Murray characterized the term as "a way of drawing attention to the unmarked norm, against which trans* is identified, in which a person feels that their gender identity matches their body/sex".[2] Wikipedia
So I guess a transgender person may identify with cissexual in the sense that after surgery and hormones they identify with the body and identity they are now?

This really is quite interesting how people relate. . although some of it is confusing to me. BUT, I appreciate the thread and I always learn something new in the b-f community! When people explain how they identify then I understand them more. I respect everyone's identity and how they feel about themselves. Everyone has their reasons why.

Words · 05-21-2011, 04:18 PM

I'm a bit confused too about the difference between transgendered and transexed and why there's no transgendered on/not on hormones option.

How exactly do you differentiate between transexed and transgendered and why no hormone option for the latter?

Words

DapperButch · 05-21-2011, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

I'm Snow. Femme-Dyke-Woman?

I would choose femme then. See below.

P.S. I really did the best I could. Please no one dissect/pick apart the poll. Just choose to not participate if you are unhappy with it. :-(

Thank you! :-)

Quote:

Originally Posted by DapperButch

I am aware that this poll does not include folks who don't identify as butch, femme, or transsexed, but I would be here forever coming up with options. Just pick the closest one in order to participate. One of the terms must resonate with you or you wouldn't be on the site to begin with.

Kätzchen · 05-22-2011, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DapperButch

There has been talk here and there about the term cissexed (and the term cisgendered, but since I am referring to one's sex, I am going to use the term cissexed, exclusively), and if people like the term or don't like the term to refer to themselves or to refer to people who are the opposite of them.

I edited DB's OP and narrowed the focus to what I would like to respond to:

If I understand the parameters you have set forth above, the meaning of the prefix "cis-", to me, implies dominant socially held norms - connoting a heteronormative stance. Simply put: "Cis-sex" - again, to me - means that I identify wholly with the biological order I was born into. I am female - the female of the species. However, my using the term "cis-sex" is not to be confused or conflated to mean anything that might be associated with "cis-sexual," as use of the term cis-sexual, to me, implies that a person identifies with dominant socially held views about sexual orientation exhibiting heteronormative dimensions. To clarify further on the terms "cis-sex" and "cis-sexual" - I am not comfortable nor do I prefer to identify wholly with either term - except that for the fact that I am comfortable with being female.

However, the non-violent anarchist in me parts ways with the term "cis-gendered" because I do not identify with dominant socially held views of performative gender, because gender is performed in socialized ways: For example, if I were to say that I am a woman, then as a woman, I might take on the behaviors of what being a woman means at a macro (larger scaled) level. But at a micro- level, I don't take on all the typical, generally understood, aspects of what being a woman means.

To me, I wonder all the time about the problematic issues that seemingly are tied to terms of identity and tinker with my own perception held about said terms and the interconnections between identity, power, privilege and control (social or personal).

DapperButch · 05-22-2011, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALovelyKiss

I edited DB's OP and narrowed the focus to what I would like to respond to:

If I understand the parameters you have set forth above, the meaning of the prefix "cis-", to me, implies dominant socially held norms - connoting a heteronormative stance. Simply put: "Cis-sex" - again, to me - means that I identify wholly with the biological order I was born into. I am female - the female of the species. However, my using the term "cis-sex" is not to be confused or conflated to mean anything that might be associated with "cis-sexual," as use of the term cis-sexual, to me, implies that a person identifies with dominant socially held views about sexual orientation exhibiting heteronormative dimensions. To clarify further on the terms "cis-sex" and "cis-sexual" - I am not comfortable nor do I prefer to identify wholly with either term - except that for the fact that I am comfortable with being female.

However, the non-violent anarchist in me parts ways with the term "cis-gendered" because I do not identify with dominant socially held views of performative gender, because gender is performed in socialized ways: For example, if I were to say that I am a woman, then as a woman, I might take on the behaviors of what being a woman means at a macro (larger scaled) level. But at a micro- level, I don't take on all the typical, generally understood, aspects of what being a woman means.

To me, I wonder all the time about the problematic issues that seemingly are tied to terms of identity and tinker with my own perception held about said terms and the interconnections between identity, power, privilege and control (social or personal).

Any narrowing or expanding of the discussion is appreciated!

Great post. I really appreciate what you wrote above and hear what you are saying here. It makes sense to me.

In the same way, that is why I believe some transpeople are preferring transsexed over transsexual, because it is about their sex (similar to the intersexed population, as Ender mentioned).

I do wonder if we will see the definition of these terms change or shift overtime (or narrow or open) as we have seen the many definitions connected to transgender.

Daywalker · 05-22-2011, 04:19 PM

Gender Neutral ~ Butch ~> Hippy

Quote:

Originally Posted by a quick ref for those unfamiliar with the GN term ~ certainly only one of many ways to describe it

Free of explicit or implicit reference to gender or sex, as is the
term police officer (instead of policewoman or policeman)
or the term crewed (instead of manned).

ie; Have always used Child or kid in place of the Girl/Boy when
referencing myself in tales of my youngest years. While I can
acknowlegde both, I don't see either. Been that way as long
as I can remember. Within our Community I have preferenced
Hy for pronoun but I don't machete peoples day to
pieces if out in the Gen Pop I get she'd.

I don't actually think while meandering though life that
I present with either. But that's my perception,
the personal one. I just don't run mah
world according to Gender
(or Garp, great flick).

There's been a time or three I've had the audacity to allow my mind
to be fancied with an internal philosophical circus rambling...one of
them includes the preposterous idea that if Females and Males were
equal in the Physical strength arena from the beginning of our
Species, how much different things would be today.

It could take me on hours of pondering through all the
leaves n branches of that Hypothetical Hooplah.

Anyway, now I've completely fogotten what I
was gonna post in the first place.

Crap.

I'm wiped out today, what with fighting the
vacuum vortex Rapture tunnels n all.

Surely the thought will find its way back.

BullDog · 05-22-2011, 05:33 PM

I do realize the conversation has been more heavily weighted towards identity than which terms are preferred and this is frustrating to some people. However, I actually do think there is a reason this is occurring.

I think one of the reasons why so many queers have issues with the terms cisgender and cissexed is because many of us don't believe our gender and sex and the relationship between the two is all that clear cut or straight forward. I believe that's one of the reasons why we have so many different identities and why they aren't so easy to classify. So when it is suggested that our sex or gender is in alignment with what is socially acceptable many of us chafe at that idea.

As to polls, Linus tried to start one on religion and even after he maxxed out people still were coming up with more. There was also a little scuffle on whether or not Catholics were considered Christians. Oh and I was one of the pain in the ass people asking whether mustard could be considered a sandwich spread (as opposed to Sandwich Spread) in the great Mayo-Miracle Whip debate. Queers can be a pain in the ass.

Martina · 05-22-2011, 05:53 PM

i am femme, and i use cisgendered or cismale or cisfemale because Dylan basically talked me into, it thread after thread. i was convinced that while there is a spectrum of discomfort with assigned gender, at some point there is a difference between those of us who can live with the loose fit of how we experience ourselves and the gender category assigned to us and those who never could and never will be able to.

AtLast · 05-23-2011, 01:20 PM

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[QUOTE=BullDog;344115]

I think one of the reasons why so many queers have issues with the terms cisgender and cissexed is because many of us don't believe our gender and sex and the relationship between the two is all that clear cut or straight forward. I believe that's one of the reasons why we have so many different identities and why they aren't so easy to classify. So when it is suggested that our sex or gender is in alignment with what is socially acceptable many of us chafe at that idea.

QUOTE] snip

No, it isn't for me at all- not clear-cut. Not even close. That is why it is important to be open to new data and theory that finally takes into consideration how gender and sex is very complex.

When I talk with my intergendered cousin and her experiences throughout her 70 plus years- I am completely humbled when it comes to this entire topic.

View Poll Results: I am a _____ and I prefer the term ______
Femme and I prefer the term cissexed	11	16.67%
Femme and I prefer the terms XY Male / XX Female	2	3.03%
Femme and I prefer the terms Bio Male/ Bio Female	20	30.30%
Female Identified Butch and I prefer the term cissexed	2	3.03%
Female Identified Butch and I prefer the terms XY Male/XX Female	1	1.52%
Female Identified Butch and I prefer the terms Bio Male/Bio Female	5	7.58%
Transgendered Butch (neither male nor female) and I prefer the term cissexed	2	3.03%
Transgendered Butch (neither male nor female) and I prefer the terms XY Male and XX Female	3	4.55%
Transgendered Butch (neither male nor female) and I prefer the terms Bio Male and Bio Female	5	7.58%
Male Identified Butch and I prefer the term transsexed	0	0%
Male Identified Butch and I prefer the terms XY Male and XX Female	0	0%
Male Identified Butch and I prefer the terms Bio Male and Bio Female	2	3.03%
Transsexed person ON hormones and prefer the term cissexed	1	1.52%
Transsexed person ON hormones and I prefer the terms XY Male and XX Female	3	4.55%
Transsexed person ON hormones and I prefer the terms Bio Male and Bio Female	5	7.58%
Transsexed person NOT on hormones and I prefer the term cissexed	1	1.52%
Transsexed person NOT on hormones and I prefer the terms XY Male and XX Female	0	0%
Transsexed person NOT on hormone and I prefer the terms Bio Male and Bio Female	3	4.55%
Voters: 66. You may not vote on this poll

05-21-2011, 03:23 PM	#1
DapperButch Roadster Guy How Do You Identify?: FTM, Stone Butch Preferred Pronoun?: He Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northeast Posts: 7,745 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 26,545 Thanked 26,814 Times in 5,772 Posts Rep Power: 21474858	I am... and I prefer the term... POLL ATTACHED (but it takes a minute to put up, so hang on!). PLEASE look at ALL choices before choosing. You can only choose one...and there is no "do-overs!" There has been talk here and there about the term cissexed (and the term cisgendered, but since I am referring to one's sex, I am going to use the term cissexed, exclusively), and if people like the term or don't like the term to refer to themselves or to refer to people who are the opposite of them. I am wondering if how we identify impacts what term we like to use when referring to people who are born with XY chromosomes ("males") and XX chromosomes ("females") who feel that they were born in the right body. So, I am curious and thought I would put up a poll garnering information on the preferences we all have and would like to have an open discussion (going in any and all directions) about the term and our feelings about the use of the term. Disclaimer(s): I have separated out transsexed people taking hormones (testosterone, estrogen) from transsexed people not taking hormones because I think it is possible that these two groups could differ in their preference of term, and I would like that reflected in the poll. I am not going to go into my thinking on that because it could get us off track from what I am hoping this thread becomes about. I hope people know me well enough to know that I do not regard the non hormone taking transsexed male/female as any less male/female than the hormone taking transsexed male/female. I am aware that this poll does not include folks who don't identify as butch, femme, or transsexed, but I would be here forever coming up with options. Just pick the closest one in order to participate. One of the terms must resonate with you or you wouldn't be on the site to begin with. ------------- Personally, as a Transgendered Butch, I have no strong feelings about the term cissexed, but tend to prefer the terms XY male and XX female. __________________ -Dapper Are you educated or indoctrinated? Last edited by Linus; 05-21-2011 at 07:46 PM. Reason: Editing as requested.

05-21-2011, 03:46 PM	#2
The_Lady_Snow MILLION $$$ PUSSY How Do You Identify?: Kinky, Raw, Perverted, Uber Queer Alpha Femme Preferred Pronoun?: Iconic Ms. Relationship Status: Keeper of 3, only one has the map to my freckles Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: La Reina del Sur Posts: 22,488 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 32,231 Thanked 80,079 Times in 15,669 Posts Rep Power: 21474874	So confusing can't we all just hang out? I'm Snow. Femme-Dyke-Woman? __________________ "If you’re going to play these dirty games of ours, then you might as well indulge completely. It’s all about turning back into an animal and that’s the beauty of it. Place your guilt on the sidewalk and take a blow torch to it (guilt is usually worthless anyway). Be perverted, be filthy, do things that mannered people shouldn’t do. If you’re going to be gross then go for it and don’t wimp out."---Master Aiden

05-21-2011, 03:58 PM	#5
DapperButch Roadster Guy How Do You Identify?: FTM, Stone Butch Preferred Pronoun?: He Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northeast Posts: 7,745 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 26,545 Thanked 26,814 Times in 5,772 Posts Rep Power: 21474858	Hey, Snow! Hey, Snow. I just saw the title to your post. Of course everyone can participate in the discussion. I was referring to the poll options in my first response to you. __________________ -Dapper Are you educated or indoctrinated?

05-21-2011, 04:10 PM	#10
Julie Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Angel * Femme * Lesbian * Girl * Woman * Slut * Bitch * Preferred Pronoun?: She Relationship Status: No longer a Virgin Bride to Dreamer ~ May 17th, 2014 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: New York Posts: 4,674 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 17,676 Thanked 18,160 Times in 3,633 Posts Rep Power: 21474856	May I am confused... (not picking apart) But you define: Cissexed - another term to mean cissexual. Someone who defines/identifies with their birth sex. But then you have Femme/Bio Male - Bio Female What would the difference be - in the femme category. If I was born a bio female and I am femme... And I identify with my Bio Birth Sex - then which one am I? And I am honestly not picking apart. I had a great conversation with a friend yesterday... About misconceptions of b/f (sexism, etc... what gets us off and not). I am a Lesbian I am a Femme I am a Dyke I am a Woman (not in any order - depends on my moment). BUT - within the confines of your poll, I do not know how to answer. Femme / Bio Male - Bio Female Femme / Cissexed Femme / XX or XY (abhor genetic terms) Julie __________________ “Sometimes only one person is missing and the whole world seems depopulated.” ~ Alphonse de Lamartine - 1790-1869 http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/o...ps4d9fb6c0.jpg I Love You ~ I Love Us May 17, 2014

05-21-2011, 03:52 PM	#3
ruffryder Senior Member How Do You Identify?: FTM Preferred Pronoun?: guy ones Relationship Status: ... Join Date: May 2011 Location: chillin' in FL Posts: 3,690 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 21,951 Thanked 9,679 Times in 2,875 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	WOW. lots of terms. Can you please explain the terms "cissexed" and "transsexed" I would appreciate it. Thank you!

05-21-2011, 04:03 PM	#6
ruffryder Senior Member How Do You Identify?: FTM Preferred Pronoun?: guy ones Relationship Status: ... Join Date: May 2011 Location: chillin' in FL Posts: 3,690 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 21,951 Thanked 9,679 Times in 2,875 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	I am transgender consider hormones and I prefer the term transsexed.

05-21-2011, 04:04 PM	#7
Toughy Senior Member How Do You Identify?: pervert butch feminist woman Preferred Pronoun?: see above Relationship Status: independent entity Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Oakland Posts: 1,826 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 4,068 Thanked 7,652 Times in 1,522 Posts Rep Power: 21474853	wiki does a pretty good job cis-gendered: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender cis-sexual: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cissexual , (from urban dictionary) http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...term=cissexual and this from Pam's House Blend: http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/...goalong-moment I am not fond of the term cis anything. Don't no why it gets under my skin, but it does.

05-21-2011, 04:07 PM	#9
ruffryder Senior Member How Do You Identify?: FTM Preferred Pronoun?: guy ones Relationship Status: ... Join Date: May 2011 Location: chillin' in FL Posts: 3,690 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 21,951 Thanked 9,679 Times in 2,875 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	I think I agree with you Toughy. Why would a trans person like the word cis?? To me Trans means opposite sex why would someone choose that they relate with their sex? hmmm..

05-21-2011, 04:18 PM	#12
ruffryder Senior Member How Do You Identify?: FTM Preferred Pronoun?: guy ones Relationship Status: ... Join Date: May 2011 Location: chillin' in FL Posts: 3,690 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 21,951 Thanked 9,679 Times in 2,875 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	However, Cissexual is an adjective used in the context of gender issues to describe "people who are not transsexual and who have only ever experienced their mental and physical sexes as being aligned".[1] Nikki Sullivan and Samantha Murray characterized the term as "a way of drawing attention to the unmarked norm, against which trans* is identified, in which a person feels that their gender identity matches their body/sex".[2] Wikipedia So I guess a transgender person may identify with cissexual in the sense that after surgery and hormones they identify with the body and identity they are now? This really is quite interesting how people relate. . although some of it is confusing to me. BUT, I appreciate the thread and I always learn something new in the b-f community! When people explain how they identify then I understand them more. I respect everyone's identity and how they feel about themselves. Everyone has their reasons why.

05-21-2011, 04:18 PM	#13
Words Member How Do You Identify?: Queer femme submissive Relationship Status: Married Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: UK Posts: 969 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 1,449 Thanked 4,259 Times in 677 Posts Rep Power: 21474852	I'm a bit confused too about the difference between transgendered and transexed and why there's no transgendered on/not on hormones option. How exactly do you differentiate between transexed and transgendered and why no hormone option for the latter? Words

05-22-2011, 05:33 PM	#18
BullDog Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Dominant Stone Butch Daddy Preferred Pronoun?: She Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: In A Healing Place Posts: 5,371 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 18,160 Thanked 22,665 Times in 4,464 Posts Rep Power: 21474856	I do realize the conversation has been more heavily weighted towards identity than which terms are preferred and this is frustrating to some people. However, I actually do think there is a reason this is occurring. I think one of the reasons why so many queers have issues with the terms cisgender and cissexed is because many of us don't believe our gender and sex and the relationship between the two is all that clear cut or straight forward. I believe that's one of the reasons why we have so many different identities and why they aren't so easy to classify. So when it is suggested that our sex or gender is in alignment with what is socially acceptable many of us chafe at that idea. As to polls, Linus tried to start one on religion and even after he maxxed out people still were coming up with more. There was also a little scuffle on whether or not Catholics were considered Christians. Oh and I was one of the pain in the ass people asking whether mustard could be considered a sandwich spread (as opposed to Sandwich Spread) in the great Mayo-Miracle Whip debate. Queers can be a pain in the ass.

05-22-2011, 05:53 PM	#19
Martina Senior Member How Do You Identify?: * Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: * Posts: 4,999 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 13,409 Thanked 18,286 Times in 4,167 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	i am femme, and i use cisgendered or cismale or cisfemale because Dylan basically talked me into, it thread after thread. i was convinced that while there is a spectrum of discomfort with assigned gender, at some point there is a difference between those of us who can live with the loose fit of how we experience ourselves and the gender category assigned to us and those who never could and never will be able to.

05-23-2011, 01:20 PM	#20
AtLast Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Woman Preferred Pronoun?: HER - SHE Relationship Status: Relating Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: CA & AZ I'm a Snowbird Posts: 5,408 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 11,826 Thanked 10,827 Times in 3,199 Posts Rep Power: 21474857	snip- [QUOTE=BullDog;344115] I think one of the reasons why so many queers have issues with the terms cisgender and cissexed is because many of us don't believe our gender and sex and the relationship between the two is all that clear cut or straight forward. I believe that's one of the reasons why we have so many different identities and why they aren't so easy to classify. So when it is suggested that our sex or gender is in alignment with what is socially acceptable many of us chafe at that idea. QUOTE] snip No, it isn't for me at all- not clear-cut. Not even close. That is why it is important to be open to new data and theory that finally takes into consideration how gender and sex is very complex. When I talk with my intergendered cousin and her experiences throughout her 70 plus years- I am completely humbled when it comes to this entire topic.