only another butch would understand

[Queerasfck]

Originally Posted by I'mOneToo

Then you may get a femme who does a drive-by that is purely designed to ridicule the thread and the people posting in it. That may get picked up by a butch who is not of the "understanding" persuasion, and it can get to be a free-for-all.

That woman, sheeesh. Drivin by and stuff. Wish she'd never got the vote.

[apretty]

Originally Posted by I'mOneToo

Then you may get a femme who does a drive-by that is purely designed to ridicule the thread and the people posting in it. That may get picked up by a butch who is not of the "understanding" persuasion, and it can get to be a free-for-all.

Kat, you did not infiltrate. I think have a right to have your say if you feel you are being maligned, in any thread.

why's Kat get to come in here and i don't?

i ain't ridiculing nothin'! i was getting in touch with my only-a-butch-would-understand side! u ain't dean thoreau, this ain't your thread to bar me from!

have your dumb thread!

[I'mOneToo]

lol.

well you are right about that. i got the general impression by the words she wrote, that somethin had blowed up that shouldn'ta. dean rarely stops by to tends his fires. nobody said you couldn't come in, there isn't a sign that says "NO GURLZ ALOWD" on it. but if you do, just know that some of the butches who don't even understand each other too well, sometimes don't understand the femmes who come drivin-by.

next time i get in touch with my femme side i'll be sure and stop over on one of those femme threads and ... well... see it's just exactly the opposite. if i were to do that, i would be ridiculed for it. so how come it's okay to come in with your butch side, obviously failing to understand? let me expound...

i don't know about the other butches here, whether male id'd or not, who use a shotgun to clean their room. they left that part of my manual out. so either you are doing something wrong, or the rest of us have been using a technique never mentioned before.

do you blow a shell into the pot, and then plant the mint?

Originally Posted by apretty

why's Kat get to come in here and i don't?

i ain't ridiculing nothin'! i was getting in touch with my only-a-butch-would-understand side! u ain't dean thoreau, this ain't your thread to bar me from!

have your dumb thread!

[I'mOneToo]

which came first -- the women being allowed to drive, or the women being allowed to vote?

Originally Posted by EzeeTiger

That woman, sheeesh. Drivin by and stuff. Wish she'd never got the vote.

[Queerasfck]

Originally Posted by I'mOneToo

lol.

i don't know about the other butches here, whether male id'd or not, who use a shotgun to clean their room. they left that part of my manual out. so either you are doing something wrong, or the rest of us have been using a technique never mentioned before.

do you blow a shell into the pot, and then plant the mint?

She's a gun nut.

[I'mOneToo]

ah. that explains everything.

come to think of it, the easiest way to do the dishes is blow them to smithereens and go buy new ones. i might try that myself.

amending section 4, item C, subsection 2a, the manual now reads: shotgun and shells are handy for cleaning room, potting plant, and cleaning dishes.

please circulate in triplicate

Originally Posted by EzeeTiger

She's a gun nut.

[AtLast]

I do need to say that some of this stuff can be funny, and even endearing between partners. This is not lost on me at all. I have a sensitivity to gender stereotypes as well as how they get placed upon both butches and femmes, but this doesn't mean I don't get the closeness that comes from our personal interactions and processes.

I know I can get as upset with stereotypes of men/males as much as with female/women and that goes for the horrible assumptions I see about my male-identified, trans/FtM/MtF/IG brothers & sisters along with what female-identified butches get thrown at them (us). Sometimes when I see it in our own (all of us) space, it just makes me mad. There is so much of it in the real-time world for each and every one of us on countless levels.

I do want to make certain that my previous comments were not really about identifications here, but simply stereotypes of men and masculinity which I actually don't like being thrown at non-female-identified butches as much as men/males of every part of our diverse (and proud) community of butches.

[Mister Bent]

See.

Here's what I'm thinking.

It's not about whether it's a "butch" thread or a "femme" thread and who all gets to post up in it and what not.

I think it's about the level of ridiculousness of a thread. And this one, I'm reasonably certain, was branded with a big ol' R sometime ago. I only peek in here for the humor of it, not in any way seeking butch bonding or understanding, because I'm just not down with all the stereotyping and separatism that's occurred.

[I'mOneToo]

I agree, and disagree, and agree all over again. The topic was never well defined, the OP started on a rocky road and it's never come up right again. Because I couldn't even find it after it fell to the bottom of the nether-pit, I thought it had been, um "archived" and no longer accessible. I'm not here every day, don't see it and so this is the first to catch my eye again. And the first page I looked at was the last, which was a veritable stew with every ingredient available thrown in.

Now I find myself posting purely as humorously as possible, because it's gone beyond any point of intention. It is an equal-opportunity-offending thread, so it will be a long way before it ever redeems itself (if it ever does).

What I object to is when someone gets hurt. Butch OR femme. Because what one considers light banter, another may take very personally. So I sit and wait to see if anyone is going to say anything about the latest turn, but no one does. So i open my fool fingers, and bam, i'm in the thick of something I don't want any part of. I am pretty adept at discerning those who can take a little ribbing, like Ezee and pretty, and others who do not take it so well. I try not to be an equal opportunity offender, and I don't get offended that easily either unless you are truly trying to shank me.

[DapperButch]

Originally Posted by Mister Bent

See.

Here's what I'm thinking.

It's not about whether it's a "butch" thread or a "femme" thread and who all gets to post up in it and what not.

I think it's about the level of ridiculousness of a thread. And this one, I'm reasonably certain, was branded with a big ol' R sometime ago. I only peek in here for the humor of it, not in any way seeking butch bonding or understanding, because I'm just not down with all the stereotyping and separatism that's occurred.

Interesting. See, I didn't think about it being a butch thread either, I just chuckled at Kam's experience with hyes partner and thought about how I, as a person (not as a butch) also handed the whole box to people. And then I was chuckling at the fact that I (as a person), never have tissues to begin with.

I very much doubt that if there was a poll regarding how a butch vs. how a femme hands tissues to a person that we would see a trend one way or the other.

I get what you are saying about how the start of the thread went...I was working from the current topic where I didn't see any stereotyping (I really wasn't thinking about what happened prior to Kam's post, since the bulk of the thread was back in December).

Anyway...that was what was happening inside me during the time I chose to post...

ETA: It makes more sense to me now why people were reacting. I was confused at first. I had forgotten where the thread had started and how it had impacted people...

[Dylan]

Maybe laaaaaaadieeeezzzzzz buy tissues 'cuz they ain't got no sleeves on their purdy dresses and such?


Dylan...doesn't put nails in the wall with the heels of shoes

[apretty]

Originally Posted by I'mOneToo

lol.

well you are right about that. i got the general impression by the words she wrote, that somethin had blowed up that shouldn'ta. dean rarely stops by to tends his fires. nobody said you couldn't come in, there isn't a sign that says "NO GURLZ ALOWD" on it. but if you do, just know that some of the butches who don't even understand each other too well, sometimes don't understand the femmes who come drivin-by. you're right, and thank you!

next time i get in touch with my femme side i'll be sure and stop over on one of those femme threads and ... well... see it's just exactly the opposite. if i were to do that, i would be ridiculed for it. so how come it's okay to come in with your butch side, obviously failing to understand? let me expound... don't worry 'bout them ladies have a problem with sharing their thread-space, they need a strong (handsome!) butch-type to wrangle in their emotional-postings!

i don't know about the other butches here, whether male id'd or not, who use a shotgun to clean their room. they left that part of my manual out. so either you are doing something wrong, or the rest of us have been using a technique never mentioned before.

do you blow a shell into the pot, and then plant the mint?

the gun's an extension of my masculinity

truthfully, i used the gun b/c my indifference to gun-ownership drives EZ crazy, plus it's there and i like the subversive little icons, i wish there was a purse-size pistol, but what can you do.

we're bros-4-ever, now--your response to me cracked me up.

(maybe i spoke too soon, EZ is questioning my need for a bro, bro) :P

[I'mOneToo]

hahaha well yep bro i guess so i needed another brother anyway, the only one i got speaks only to me through his spokesperson. you at least dialog direct. maybe ezee could be YOUR spokesperson then i'd have two bro's with spokespeople.

as long as you're here, got any special butch laundry tips? please don't pull out the scissors tool, or a gun, can't afford a new wardrobe.

Originally Posted by apretty

the gun's an extension of my masculinity

truthfully, i used the gun b/c my indifference to gun-ownership drives EZ crazy, plus it's there and i like the subversive little icons, i wish there was a purse-size pistol, but what can you do.

we're bros-4-ever, now--your response to me cracked me up.

(maybe i spoke too soon, EZ is questioning my need for a bro, bro) :P

[AtLast]

I do have one...

I am always at a loss when a woman I am seeing wants to know what the attire is for the date. Once, I just described what I was going to wear and she emailed me back and siad - So, what does your wearing a Superman tie tell me? Do you want me to wear something I can fly around on your shoulders in? Or, bring a typewriter? Signed, Lois

[apretty]

Originally Posted by I'mOneToo

hahaha well yep bro i guess so i needed another brother anyway, the only one i got speaks only to me through his spokesperson. you at least dialog direct. maybe ezee could be YOUR spokesperson then i'd have two bro's with spokespeople.

as long as you're here, got any special butch laundry tips? please don't pull out the scissors tool, or a gun, can't afford a new wardrobe.

1. don't use too much soap! separate lights and darks and wash whites in their own load with a small amount of bleach. please never wash a white with a dark. (this is something that *some* of us have trouble remembering/caring about)

2. if you have something you want to stay nice, wash it on the gentle cycle and use a gentle soap like woolite. you can either let it dry for a couple of minutes on low and then take it out and air dry it or you can skip the dryer altogether and let it air dry--this will save the fabric feel and color. (this is also good if you have a pair of tighter jeans, you can wash them and stretch them while they're damp and let air dry)

3. iron with a spray bottle of water, if it's a cotton shirt do the front and collar last--it won't re-wrinkle as you manipulate the fabric around the ironing board.

4. iron wool pants on the coolest setting (the iron-setting) between trips to the dry cleaner--and turned inside-out will be more kind to the fabric, too--but experts say that using a pressing cloth between the iron and the fabric to avoid those horrible shiny-iron-marks example: http://www.sewingplace.com/browsepro...ess-Cloth.HTML

5. also, i avoid washing towels of any sort (rugs, too) with anything that i'll be wearing--those little bits of fuzz never seem to come off the clothes and it's one of those things that just bug me (additionally, i like to buy only white towels/sheets so i can, like a hotel, bleach them all to super white when they get a little dirty). what's nicer than a crisp white cotton 500+ thread count sheet set? not much i say.

lastly, wash nicer things in cold, blacks will stay black in cold... i get a little weird about faded blacks/blacks that don't match.

*now i may lose my bro card!

[DapperButch]

Originally Posted by AtLastHome

I do have one...

I am always at a loss when a woman I am seeing wants to know what the attire is for the date. Once, I just described what I was going to wear and she emailed me back and siad - So, what does your wearing a Superman tie tell me? Do you want me to wear something I can fly around on your shoulders in? Or, bring a typewriter? Signed, Lois

LOL She sounds great!

[Galahad]

I use cotton handkerchiefs. Always keep a clean extra in my back pocket in case someone is in need.

[Jet]

Originally Posted by Galahad

I use cotton handkerchiefs. Always keep a clean extra in my back pocket in case someone is in need.

excellent. i like your film noire style

[I'mOneToo]

wowza!

well bro -- um see i knew you would be full of good advice. been doing it wrong all along. if you can follow this particular butch's logic.... here's how the clothes get divided.

first you put them in two piles. all the heavy stuff goes in one pile, all the lightweight stuff goes in the other. then, you subdivide each pile by kinda light colored stuff, and kinda dark colored stuff. then you take the four piles and then you separate ALL the black stuff (whether lightweight or heavy) and make a separate pile. this creates five piles. but because there's a lot of black clothes, it makes the other piles much smaller.

then you take one of the piles of light-colored lightweight stuff and combine it with one of the piles of heavyweight kinda light-colored stuff. then you take the leftover pile of dark-colored lightweight stuff and combine that with the last pile of dark-colored heavyweight stuff.

what remains are three loads. blacks of all weights, lightweights of all colors, and heavyweights of all colors except black.

there aren't any white clothes because everything that was white at the store turns out sort of grey after the first washing but against black clothing, it almost looks white. and last week, somehow a pink washcloth got in with the whitish clothes (no idea where it came from because i certainly have no pink items not even washcloths but that's for another thread). anyway the whitish stuff came out pinkish so hopefully this time it will come out less pink and more gray like it should. lol.

i will try your method of sorting and see how it goes tomorrow. although, have not been able to figure out if there are different speeds or how gentle differs from the slam-bang mode it usually works in. the towels and rugs are all dark and i don't give them much thought in the washer because it's the drying that makes the difference in getting the fuzz on everything, so i do dry them all by themselves. the sheets, who knows, they could be count dracula for all i know. i like them scratchy.

the ironing, the shirt advice and all that, i'd be too embarrassed to go into detail. the 'rumpled look' is in nowadays, i've finally caught up with current fashion.

could possibly just be lazy logic, rather than something only a butch would know or do.

thank you very much for your sage advice, as you disembark from this ride please hand your bro card to the attendant standing by. you may then retrieve your weapon from the security cage.

Originally Posted by apretty

1. don't use too much soap! separate lights and darks and wash whites in their own load with a small amount of bleach. please never wash a white with a dark. (this is something that *some* of us have trouble remembering/caring about)

2. if you have something you want to stay nice, wash it on the gentle cycle and use a gentle soap like woolite. you can either let it dry for a couple of minutes on low and then take it out and air dry it or you can skip the dryer altogether and let it air dry--this will save the fabric feel and color. (this is also good if you have a pair of tighter jeans, you can wash them and stretch them while they're damp and let air dry)

3. iron with a spray bottle of water, if it's a cotton shirt do the front and collar last--it won't re-wrinkle as you manipulate the fabric around the ironing board.

4. iron wool pants on the coolest setting (the iron-setting) between trips to the dry cleaner--and turned inside-out will be more kind to the fabric, too--but experts say that using a pressing cloth between the iron and the fabric to avoid those horrible shiny-iron-marks example: http://www.sewingplace.com/browsepro...ess-Cloth.HTML

5. also, i avoid washing towels of any sort (rugs, too) with anything that i'll be wearing--those little bits of fuzz never seem to come off the clothes and it's one of those things that just bug me (additionally, i like to buy only white towels/sheets so i can, like a hotel, bleach them all to super white when they get a little dirty). what's nicer than a crisp white cotton 500+ thread count sheet set? not much i say.

lastly, wash nicer things in cold, blacks will stay black in cold... i get a little weird about faded blacks/blacks that don't match.

*now i may lose my bro card!

[Mister Bent]

After that awesome laundry advice, I can't wait for the cooking portion of this thread.