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[persiphone]

Originally Posted by Miss Tick

I don't want to derail the the thread either, but I do want to understand this as well. From what I can gather, and believe me gathering hurts my head, DNA used as markers in genetic engineering are somehow or other antibiotic resistant. I don't think it is a purposeful thing, it is a by product of using markers. At least that is what it sounded like to me. Then there is something about it being able to possibly do some kind of horizontal gene transfer thing, especially surrounding e-coli, which seems to be useful for genetic modification and we all have some so when we eat gmos that have this antibiotic resistant dna we might be developing it also. Or something like that anyway. Not sure how proven it is. Europe seems more disturbed by it than we are in the U.S. But even there some study decided it wasn't much of a threat to humans but two scientists disagreed and wanted an addendum added to the study. Or something like that. I can't find the study anymore. Read about it awhile ago. Anyway it doesn't sound like a great idea to me. And it seems like a more direct way to find oneself resistant to antibiotics. I think they have been doing this since 1970 or so. Does this make any sense?

antibiotic resistant genes are 'selected' and then 'farmed' in labs. perhaps i should have used those words. to me that is creating, or advancing the existence of antiobiotic resistant bacteria.

[SoNotHer]

Ain't that the truth. What would we do without RT and Democracy Now?

Originally Posted by Ebon

Occupy Update from RT (the only real news station left)

[SoNotHer]

"The police protect and serve the one percent." Great interview and context for this. Olsen is going to need brain surgery - quite a price to pay for standing peacefully in support of a movement he was selfishly committed to.

This movement is bringing some festering issues to a long-in-coming head.

Originally Posted by Ebon

Occupy Update from RT (the only real news station left)



Added another video

[atomiczombie]

Originally Posted by Ebon

Occupy Update from RT (the only real news station left)



Added another video

That Tea Party guy in the second video is ON CRACK. O.o

[Cin]

Originally Posted by persiphone

antibiotic resistant genes are 'selected' and then 'farmed' in labs. perhaps i should have used those words. to me that is creating, or advancing the existence of antiobiotic resistant bacteria.

You know I can't really say I completely understand this stuff. What you posted in response to dreedgeek is the easiest to follow I've read so far. But i must be missing some important basic information that would enable me to follow what is being explained more easily. I don't usually have reading comprehension issues but...

What I do get is that I would like to avoid consuming this crap. However, it doesn't seem like there is any way for me to know if the food I am eating has been genetically modified or if it has if it contains antibiotic resistant genes. At least I think that's true.

anyway thanks for the information.

[atomiczombie]

Hmm, they might be starting to notice that a little backlash is happening. It will be interesting to see what happens by Nov.5th - national Bank Transfer Day.

It looks like Bank of America might be on its own. After the nation’s second-largest bank by assets got excoriated by consumers and politicians for planning to charge debit-card users an additional fee for purchases, other major banks indicated Friday they are canceling their plans to adopt similar programs. JPMorgan Chase, one of the first big banks to test such fees, has decided it won't adopt them. U.S. Bancorp, Citigroup, PNC Financial Services, and KeyCorp also say they won't use the fees. Wells Fargo, however, is still testing a $3 monthly fee in five states. "I generally think customers don't want to be nickeled and dimed," said the head of retail products at PNC.

LINK: http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/...ebit-fees.html

[Toughy]

I wish they would get Olsen OUT of Highland Hospital and over to the SF VA Medical Center where they have tons of experience with traumatic brain injury. I am sure he is stable enough for a 45 minute ambulance ride to the VA or they could fly him in a helicopter....I believe both Highland and the VA have landing pads.

[Toughy]

Wells Fargo is eliminating it's free checking accounts except for those with $5,000 balances starting Nov 15 (in CA for sure....don't know about the rest of the country). You can still get a free savings if you transfer $75 bucks a month from your (not free) checking to your (free) savings. Both used to be free if you had direct deposit to checking and transfered the 75 to savings.

[persiphone]

Originally Posted by Miss Tick

You know I can't really say I completely understand this stuff. What you posted in response to dreedgeek is the easiest to follow I've read so far. But i must be missing some important basic information that would enable me to follow what is being explained more easily. I don't usually have reading comprehension issues but...

What I do get is that I would like to avoid consuming this crap. However, it doesn't seem like there is any way for me to know if the food I am eating has been genetically modified or if it has if it contains antibiotic resistant genes. At least I think that's true.

anyway thanks for the information.

it's not you. it's complicated crap. there are lists of processed foods that are GMO. a good guidleline is that if it has corn, soy, or canola and hfcs (which is like 90% of what's on store shelves then you can pretty much bet it's a GMO product. lemme see if i can find a current list....

ok i found a pretty complete one here:

http://opposingdigits.com/forums/about52.html

edited cuz i'm tired and therefore repeating myself.

*sigh* last edit i swear. so a recent study was done on the levels of antibiotic resistant bacteria on commercial meat. the levels were astonishing. turkey ranked the worst, followed by pork, then beef, then chicken. and they tell you not rinse your poultry anymore because the splash spreads this antibiotic resistant bacteria around your kitchen.

[SoNotHer]

To put it simply, there are proverbial genies pressure-popping out of bottle after bottle. Our food and medicine production has become like climate change - a runaway experiment that has vaulted the petri dish and headed for open ground. We are in terra incognito in more ways than we know.

There is no road map for where we are heading.

Originally Posted by persiphone

it's not you. it's complicated crap. there are lists of processed foods that are GMO. a good guidleline is that if it has corn, soy, or canola and hfcs (which is like 90% of what's on store shelves then you can pretty much bet it's a GMO product. lemme see if i can find a current list....

ok i found a pretty complete one here:

http://opposingdigits.com/forums/about52.html

i think the scarier scenario is our meat supply. GMO products are fed to our meat and dairy supply while simultaneously being raised on regular antibiotics. we then eat that meat and in some cases some of that meat is not always cooked beyond recognition. so live bacteria can survive. interestingly, a study was recently done on levels of antibiotic resistant bacteria on grocery store meat and the numbers were astonishing. turkey ranked the highest, followed by pork, then beef and then chicken. and we eat that! it's so bad that they tell people now not to rinse poultry in your sink cuz the splash from the water droplets will spread that antibiotic resistant bacteria around your kitchen.

[persiphone]

Originally Posted by SoNotHer

To put it simply, there are proverbial genies pressure-popping out of bottle after bottle. Our food and medicine production has become like climate change - a runaway experiment that has vaulted the petri dish and headed for open ground. We are in terra incognito in more ways than we know.

There is no road map for where we are heading.

i agree and i love that visual. and yanno this has been going on for quite some time. but like i said in an earlier post, we weren't taught this stuff and the generations after us aren't being taught either. i don't think that's an accident. and navigating this info to get a clear understanding of exactly the whys and the hows of GMOs can be daunting, even with some heavy microbiology knowledge, let alone without it. you can see why they are so against labeling these products on store shelves. when i walk into a grocery store now, i feel surrounded by inedible products and my choices are severely limited if i wish to remain gmo free without the expense of buying all organic.

[atomiczombie]

Originally Posted by Toughy

Wells Fargo is eliminating it's free checking accounts except for those with $5,000 balances starting Nov 15 (in CA for sure....don't know about the rest of the country). You can still get a free savings if you transfer $75 bucks a month from your (not free) checking to your (free) savings. Both used to be free if you had direct deposit to checking and transfered the 75 to savings.

Yea well they are gonna be fucked on Bank Transfer Day. I am switching from B of A to Patelco next week. Credit Unions for the win baby!!

[persiphone]

good! they can fuck right the fuck off. i opened a credit union account. i'll be closing my Wells Fucker account on the 5th in solidarity.

and that reminds me....when i let my bank know last month that i was leaving them and opening a credit union account, the manager told me that they were "being forced by federal law to charge these fees." i was like really betch? srsly?

[atomiczombie]

Originally Posted by persiphone

it's not you. it's complicated crap. there are lists of processed foods that are GMO. a good guidleline is that if it has corn, soy, or canola and hfcs (which is like 90% of what's on store shelves then you can pretty much bet it's a GMO product. lemme see if i can find a current list....

ok i found a pretty complete one here:

http://opposingdigits.com/forums/about52.html

edited cuz i'm tired and therefore repeating myself.

*sigh* last edit i swear. so a recent study was done on the levels of antibiotic resistant bacteria on commercial meat. the levels were astonishing. turkey ranked the worst, followed by pork, then beef, then chicken. and they tell you not rinse your poultry anymore because the splash spreads this antibiotic resistant bacteria around your kitchen.

Wow that is an insanely long list of foods with genetically engineered ingredients. I kind of laughed when I saw so many Healthy Choice products.

[persiphone]

Originally Posted by atomiczombie

Wow that is an insanely long list of foods with genetically engineered ingredients. I kind of laughed when I saw so many Healthy Choice products.

i know! it's so depressing. the Pepperidge Farm products sent me right over the edge. and Oreos ffs! how am i sposed to live without Oreos? i found an alternative, but STILL!

[Dominique]

I recieved via the US mail a nice letter from Chase yesterday.

It started out by saying they noticed I haven't done any business with them in a while (how about NEVER) then went on to say that banking has become very diversified and they've attached a helpful check list for me to review and return, for any services that they may be able to assist me with.

My first thought was to shred it. Then I decided to put a sheet of blank
paper into the prepaid, self addressed envelope and just mail it back to them.

I decided, I would do this with all junk/solicitation mail I recieve from banking institutions. I hope every one will do this. We can nickle and dime them to death to.

[Sachita]

I am extremely concerned with Food Safety and as with everything else our government has failed us. It is one of my top issues right now. There are some informed people here. I would love to see a discussion in a new thread about this and perhaps some layman lingo. I try to talk to my family but they roll their eyes.

[Ebon]

Occupy News Update. This is sound only.

[Cin]

Originally Posted by persiphone

it's not you. it's complicated crap. there are lists of processed foods that are GMO. a good guidleline is that if it has corn, soy, or canola and hfcs (which is like 90% of what's on store shelves then you can pretty much bet it's a GMO product. lemme see if i can find a current list....

ok i found a pretty complete one here:

http://opposingdigits.com/forums/about52.html

edited cuz i'm tired and therefore repeating myself.

*sigh* last edit i swear. so a recent study was done on the levels of antibiotic resistant bacteria on commercial meat. the levels were astonishing. turkey ranked the worst, followed by pork, then beef, then chicken. and they tell you not rinse your poultry anymore because the splash spreads this antibiotic resistant bacteria around your kitchen.

Thank you for this list. And for the information.

I can't imagine what to do now though. Cheerios and 3 Musketeers bars - say it ain't so. The staples. I can't even imagine life without cheerios.

[Dominique]

Originally Posted by Sachita

I am extremely concerned with Food Safety and as with everything else our government has failed us..

Yeah! Like Dairy and the antibiotics. Uugh. I get accused of doing the preachy thing when I start to point this stuff out.
People, in general, prefer denial.