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[persiphone]

Originally Posted by Miss Tick

You know I can't really say I completely understand this stuff. What you posted in response to dreedgeek is the easiest to follow I've read so far. But i must be missing some important basic information that would enable me to follow what is being explained more easily. I don't usually have reading comprehension issues but...

What I do get is that I would like to avoid consuming this crap. However, it doesn't seem like there is any way for me to know if the food I am eating has been genetically modified or if it has if it contains antibiotic resistant genes. At least I think that's true.

anyway thanks for the information.

it's not you. it's complicated crap. there are lists of processed foods that are GMO. a good guidleline is that if it has corn, soy, or canola and hfcs (which is like 90% of what's on store shelves then you can pretty much bet it's a GMO product. lemme see if i can find a current list....

ok i found a pretty complete one here:

http://opposingdigits.com/forums/about52.html

edited cuz i'm tired and therefore repeating myself.

*sigh* last edit i swear. so a recent study was done on the levels of antibiotic resistant bacteria on commercial meat. the levels were astonishing. turkey ranked the worst, followed by pork, then beef, then chicken. and they tell you not rinse your poultry anymore because the splash spreads this antibiotic resistant bacteria around your kitchen.

[SoNotHer]

To put it simply, there are proverbial genies pressure-popping out of bottle after bottle. Our food and medicine production has become like climate change - a runaway experiment that has vaulted the petri dish and headed for open ground. We are in terra incognito in more ways than we know.

There is no road map for where we are heading.

Originally Posted by persiphone

it's not you. it's complicated crap. there are lists of processed foods that are GMO. a good guidleline is that if it has corn, soy, or canola and hfcs (which is like 90% of what's on store shelves then you can pretty much bet it's a GMO product. lemme see if i can find a current list....

ok i found a pretty complete one here:

http://opposingdigits.com/forums/about52.html

i think the scarier scenario is our meat supply. GMO products are fed to our meat and dairy supply while simultaneously being raised on regular antibiotics. we then eat that meat and in some cases some of that meat is not always cooked beyond recognition. so live bacteria can survive. interestingly, a study was recently done on levels of antibiotic resistant bacteria on grocery store meat and the numbers were astonishing. turkey ranked the highest, followed by pork, then beef and then chicken. and we eat that! it's so bad that they tell people now not to rinse poultry in your sink cuz the splash from the water droplets will spread that antibiotic resistant bacteria around your kitchen.

[persiphone]

Originally Posted by SoNotHer

To put it simply, there are proverbial genies pressure-popping out of bottle after bottle. Our food and medicine production has become like climate change - a runaway experiment that has vaulted the petri dish and headed for open ground. We are in terra incognito in more ways than we know.

There is no road map for where we are heading.

i agree and i love that visual. and yanno this has been going on for quite some time. but like i said in an earlier post, we weren't taught this stuff and the generations after us aren't being taught either. i don't think that's an accident. and navigating this info to get a clear understanding of exactly the whys and the hows of GMOs can be daunting, even with some heavy microbiology knowledge, let alone without it. you can see why they are so against labeling these products on store shelves. when i walk into a grocery store now, i feel surrounded by inedible products and my choices are severely limited if i wish to remain gmo free without the expense of buying all organic.

[atomiczombie]

Originally Posted by persiphone

it's not you. it's complicated crap. there are lists of processed foods that are GMO. a good guidleline is that if it has corn, soy, or canola and hfcs (which is like 90% of what's on store shelves then you can pretty much bet it's a GMO product. lemme see if i can find a current list....

ok i found a pretty complete one here:

http://opposingdigits.com/forums/about52.html

edited cuz i'm tired and therefore repeating myself.

*sigh* last edit i swear. so a recent study was done on the levels of antibiotic resistant bacteria on commercial meat. the levels were astonishing. turkey ranked the worst, followed by pork, then beef, then chicken. and they tell you not rinse your poultry anymore because the splash spreads this antibiotic resistant bacteria around your kitchen.

Wow that is an insanely long list of foods with genetically engineered ingredients. I kind of laughed when I saw so many Healthy Choice products.

[persiphone]

Originally Posted by atomiczombie

Wow that is an insanely long list of foods with genetically engineered ingredients. I kind of laughed when I saw so many Healthy Choice products.

i know! it's so depressing. the Pepperidge Farm products sent me right over the edge. and Oreos ffs! how am i sposed to live without Oreos? i found an alternative, but STILL!

[Dominique]

I recieved via the US mail a nice letter from Chase yesterday.

It started out by saying they noticed I haven't done any business with them in a while (how about NEVER) then went on to say that banking has become very diversified and they've attached a helpful check list for me to review and return, for any services that they may be able to assist me with.

My first thought was to shred it. Then I decided to put a sheet of blank
paper into the prepaid, self addressed envelope and just mail it back to them.

I decided, I would do this with all junk/solicitation mail I recieve from banking institutions. I hope every one will do this. We can nickle and dime them to death to.

[Sachita]

I am extremely concerned with Food Safety and as with everything else our government has failed us. It is one of my top issues right now. There are some informed people here. I would love to see a discussion in a new thread about this and perhaps some layman lingo. I try to talk to my family but they roll their eyes.

[Ebon]

Occupy News Update. This is sound only.

[Dominique]

Originally Posted by Sachita

I am extremely concerned with Food Safety and as with everything else our government has failed us..

Yeah! Like Dairy and the antibiotics. Uugh. I get accused of doing the preachy thing when I start to point this stuff out.
People, in general, prefer denial.

[Ebon]

Originally Posted by Yellow band

Yeah! Like Dairy and the antibiotics. Uugh. I get accused of doing the preachy thing when I start to point this stuff out.
People, in general, prefer denial.

Yeah same here. I got on the milk kick a few months back no one payed any attention. Oh well all I can do is tell them. I find that anything that is the "norm" or "programmed" into our brains some people go into denial when you try to tell them that it's hurting them or it's not true. Milk can't be bad the TV says it's good.

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by Yellow band

Yeah! Like Dairy and the antibiotics. Uugh. I get accused of doing the preachy thing when I start to point this stuff out.
People, in general, prefer denial.

Yup- and our generation dealt with DES and it being put into prenatal vitamins given to all pregnant women by ob/gyns! Gee, and I developed cervical cancer... wonder why!

On another note- Michael Moore being in oakland drew a whole lot of people around here from far and near!

When I took my pooch to the dog park yesterday there were dozens of "new" people there with their dogs. All in groups and talking politics. So, of course I asked about what was going on. They were going to OWS in Oakland and found out about Point Isabel Regional Dog Park (largest in North America).

It was great until most of them allowed their dogs out in the restricted areas on the Bay which is a bird sanctuary for our shore birds. It is posted all over the artea. I was pissed. We have worked so hard to keep the park an off leash area as bird groups have tried to ban dogs entirely from that side of the park. This has been a 3 year battle. We finally got people educated about how dogs disturb nests and their scent blows the area for birds feeding. UGH!!

But, a few of us "regulars" talked to folks and pointed out the signs for the refuge areas and they left those areas with their dogs. No birds were chased or hurt, thankfully and there was no need to call the park rangers. I hope that they pass along the information to other OWS visitors that might take their pooches out there.

I know that some had to have seen the signs and just didn't pay attention. This happens a lot with people that are not from here and take dogs out to get some good exercise while on vacation, etc. That and not picking up after their dogs even though our park organization and the Regional Park Service has bags on posts all over the park and notices posted about owner's responsibilities in the park. Cleaning up after and also managing your dog in terms of any aggression or unsafe behaavior is fully covered under park rules. It is interesting to me that people often times think it is OK to do things like this in other people's "backyards," especially when they are political activist types engaging in protests that reflect a sense of community civil rights for all.

But, it all worked out and it looks like there are more and more people getting involved in the OWS movement.

[Cin]

Originally Posted by persiphone

it's not you. it's complicated crap. there are lists of processed foods that are GMO. a good guidleline is that if it has corn, soy, or canola and hfcs (which is like 90% of what's on store shelves then you can pretty much bet it's a GMO product. lemme see if i can find a current list....

ok i found a pretty complete one here:

http://opposingdigits.com/forums/about52.html

edited cuz i'm tired and therefore repeating myself.

*sigh* last edit i swear. so a recent study was done on the levels of antibiotic resistant bacteria on commercial meat. the levels were astonishing. turkey ranked the worst, followed by pork, then beef, then chicken. and they tell you not rinse your poultry anymore because the splash spreads this antibiotic resistant bacteria around your kitchen.

Thank you for this list. And for the information.

I can't imagine what to do now though. Cheerios and 3 Musketeers bars - say it ain't so. The staples. I can't even imagine life without cheerios.

[persiphone]

Originally Posted by Miss Tick

Thank you for this list. And for the information.

I can't imagine what to do now though. Cheerios and 3 Musketeers bars - say it ain't so. The staples. I can't even imagine life without cheerios.

i know! the horror! i really miss Wheatables, Milanos, Oreos, Snickers, and Capn' Crunch Berries. i found alternatives and even some new things at Trader Joe's. but i grew up on some of those items that are now GMO products so it's painful.