A Question for Understanding

G Snap! · 09-06-2012, 12:35 PM

So far some great responses on this thread. In regards to my question, thank you everyone who responded to it. I love hearing your personal journies. I liked the one comment about a transguy refering to himself as a hybrid, as my guy chefhmboyrd could wear that title too.

I hope GrahamsGirl has time to read through this thread in hopes she has gotten her question answered. If I could go back and re-do my post, I would rather ask "why would a transguy want to pass as a transguy, rather than just as a guy" to keep it more in context of GrahamsGirl's original question:

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Originally Posted by GrahamsGirl

How does a transguy pass as a transguy and not a straight guy? (Sorry if that is worded wrong.) I really want to get a visual/understanding on this. Thanks. GG

I think Mike did a great job keeping this in mind, and a few other posts did too.

Corkey · 09-06-2012, 12:55 PM

I just changed my identifier to Human, because it really doesn't matter how I identify in this space, I'm always going to be a human being. My pronoun remains He.

EnderD_503 · 09-10-2012, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by G Snap!

So far some great responses on this thread. In regards to my question, thank you everyone who responded to it. I love hearing your personal journies. I liked the one comment about a transguy refering to himself as a hybrid, as my guy chefhmboyrd could wear that title too.

I hope GrahamsGirl has time to read through this thread in hopes she has gotten her question answered. If I could go back and re-do my post, I would rather ask "why would a transguy want to pass as a transguy, rather than just as a guy"

I would really like to ask why it is confusing that a transguy would want to "pass" (meaning be perceived by others) as a transguy. I have an idea of why people find it confusing, but I don't want to assume. I would really appreciate it if someone could answer that for me.

Also, what is "just a guy"? What is the assumption being made by people when they see someone as "just a guy"? Can a transguy not also be "just a transguy"? And what is the benefit of being seen as "just a guy" vs. "just a transguy"?

EDIT: Also, a note about transguy vs. cisguy vs. guy/man. We need to recognise that in our society man and guy = cisman. When people say man they think of people who were born with penises and testicles. Man/guy is society's word for cisman/cisguy and it is the trans community that has begun using cis and/or non-trans in front of words like man/woman/guy/girl/male/female. Many place cis in front of these terms as a way of showing that there is no such thing as "just a man" in our society precisely because "just a man" brings with it certain connotations. There is no distinction in society. And when society looks at transguys/transmen they see people who "want to be like 'real' men"...aka cismen.

stargazingboi · 09-11-2012, 08:12 AM

I’ve been sitting here thinking about how to respond to this question. As someone pointed out there are those who are pre-op, and then there are those who move forward and take hormones and have surgeries and become post-op. Each make these choices individually, no two are alike.

I will always be pre-op. Why? Because medically my body cannot handle what it takes to transition. I then had to find myself and learn how to except me for me. I had to realize that I was created this way and that I am not a mistake. That being said, because I am not on hormones and have not had surgeries, there are times I “pass” and other times I do not.

I live and ID as a TG in my work and in my social life. What does this mean for me? Well, I surely do not introduce myself as a TG. Like another poster pointed out, I don’t say: hello my name is and I’m Tg. However, when I am asked questions that encompass a gender clarification, I answer them. For ME I choose to discuss it because I find that education is the key to unlocking ignorance and fear in those around me. I work for the state, for my agency I am the first TG to be hired, and because of those discussions …HR forms were changed, as well as education/trainings that included all aspects that surround gender …a series of training came about because of it. I am proud of who I am and in many ways impressed with my journey in life and do not wish to separate myself from it. But that is me...I cannot nor will I ever try and speak for others because it is far to individualized of an experience to even attempt it.

Now, as far as the OP’s original question, as it is currently worded…I do not wish to pass as a transguy or a biomale for that matter, I just want to be seen as a human being and be treated as such.

09-06-2012, 12:55 PM	#2
Corkey Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Human Preferred Pronoun?: He Relationship Status: Very Married Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Where I want to be Posts: 8,155 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 47,491 Thanked 29,268 Times in 6,637 Posts Rep Power: 21474859	I just changed my identifier to Human, because it really doesn't matter how I identify in this space, I'm always going to be a human being. My pronoun remains He. __________________ "Many proposals have been made to us to adopt your laws, your religion, your manners and your customs. We would be better pleased with beholding the good effects of these doctrines in your own practices, than with hearing you talk about them". ~Old Tassel, Chief of the Tsalagi (Cherokee)

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09-11-2012, 08:12 AM	#4
stargazingboi Senior Member How Do You Identify?: ~ Preferred Pronoun?: ~ Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: ~ Posts: 1,954 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 10,392 Thanked 8,318 Times in 1,626 Posts Rep Power: 21474853	I’ve been sitting here thinking about how to respond to this question. As someone pointed out there are those who are pre-op, and then there are those who move forward and take hormones and have surgeries and become post-op. Each make these choices individually, no two are alike. I will always be pre-op. Why? Because medically my body cannot handle what it takes to transition. I then had to find myself and learn how to except me for me. I had to realize that I was created this way and that I am not a mistake. That being said, because I am not on hormones and have not had surgeries, there are times I “pass” and other times I do not. I live and ID as a TG in my work and in my social life. What does this mean for me? Well, I surely do not introduce myself as a TG. Like another poster pointed out, I don’t say: hello my name is and I’m Tg. However, when I am asked questions that encompass a gender clarification, I answer them. For ME I choose to discuss it because I find that education is the key to unlocking ignorance and fear in those around me. I work for the state, for my agency I am the first TG to be hired, and because of those discussions …HR forms were changed, as well as education/trainings that included all aspects that surround gender …a series of training came about because of it. I am proud of who I am and in many ways impressed with my journey in life and do not wish to separate myself from it. But that is me...I cannot nor will I ever try and speak for others because it is far to individualized of an experience to even attempt it. Now, as far as the OP’s original question, as it is currently worded…I do not wish to pass as a transguy or a biomale for that matter, I just want to be seen as a human being and be treated as such.