It's Time to Boycott Arizona

[apretty]

AMERICAN arrested for driving while brown and not having the correct papers.

(sheriff joe is a disgusting piece of garbage that makes his own rules, constantly at odds with the POLICE department of phoenix. he's a criminal and his people chained a woman to her hospital bed, forcing her to GIVE BIRTH while in handcuffs.)

[UofMfan]

Originally Posted by apretty

AMERICAN arrested for driving while brown and not having the correct papers.

(sheriff joe is a disgusting piece of garbage that makes his own rules, constantly at odds with the POLICE department of phoenix. he's a criminal and his people chained a woman to her hospital bed, forcing her to GIVE BIRTH while in handcuffs.)

I thought the LAW doesn't go into effect until August, what gives?

And yes, Sheriff Joe is all those things and more.

[apretty]

Originally Posted by UofMfan

I thought the LAW doesn't go into effect until August, what gives?

And yes, Sheriff Joe is all those things and more.

sheriff joe makes his own rules, he says he's been "enforcing immigration" for 3 years. i'm sure that really means, pulling over brown people for 50 years.

[UofMfan]

And something I always see in these conversations is a very distinct difference between parents and non-parents. I might live a few miles from a city here in CA that has one of the highest rates of street murder among kids of color, but I don't get up every morning wondering if my kid will make it home from school. I didn't have this on me when I was raising my son even with the typical worries that parents have. A whole hell of a lot changes if you become a parent, no matter if biologically, via adoption, fostering, as a guardian or as a co-parent with a partner (Yup, making a point about all of the types of parenting!)

AtLastHome, as a parent, for 28 years, I have to say that I disagree with this statement. We can take it up on the other thread if you wish, as I don't want to derail this one. Perhaps I just need clarification. Thank you.

[Toughy]

I heard an interesting spin of this bill on the radio. It seems AZ has tons and tons of newly registered Democratic Party folks and guess what...... they are almost all brown........

So if you want to intimidate new brown voters........hey just put a rent a cop in an uniform and station him/her outside the polling place to stare at all the brown folks waiting to vote or better yet put a real cop out there and have him/her check every brown person in line to see it they have their proper papers..........

The governor of AZ was the Secretary of State before she was moved up and apparently she tossed hundreds of brown folks off the voter rolls..........She is right in there with that Harris woman down in FL around the 2000 elections.

[DeanRobert]

I to am a citizen of Arizona, Phoenix to be exact and I live in the Maryvale area. Those of you that live here know that Maryvale is predominately, about 80% Hispanic.

Please do not take what I am about to say and turn it into something else. There are parts of this bill that I agree with and other parts that I don’t.
I have sat here out of fairness to all of you and read each and every post.

No one has taken the time to post the actual bill on line for all to read. Those of you that want to take the time and read this bill you can find it at www.kpho.com.

Do I think parts of this bill can and will result in racism, yes most likely it will, there are bad apples in all of the police departments but there is a true need for Arizona to enact some kind of immigration legislation.

For example:

[1]Arizona arrests and deports the largest amount of illegal immigrants in the United States with estimates rising to over 450,000 the past 10 years. Right now it is estimated that there are over 40,000 a year that pass over our border.

[2]We spend over 300 million a year on just on medical, and social services for them. This does not count what we spend to educate their children. Our state budget is in crises and can’t keep supporting those that are not here legally.

[3]The last 5 police officers here killed in the line of duty, were killed by illegal immigrants that had arrest warrants on them. One of our largest and most respected cattle ranchers was killed on his own property by an illegal immigrant that the police followed for over 20 miles until he passed back into Mexico.

[4] The last 2 governors of this state have asked Presidents Bush and Obama repeatedly for help in securing our borders with out any response or action s coming from the White House.

[5] Arizona is the leader in human trafficking. The immigrants pay “Coyotes”, smugglers, to bring them across the border, many ending up here in Phoenix at drop houses where they are then moved onto other states and through out the country. The vast majority are held against their will while their families are forced to pay a ransom for their freedom. Many of the women are raped, their only other choice is to escape or hope to be freed by one of the local police task forces. Many die in the vast desert that they must cross to enter. Some die in police chases while packed into trucks and other vehicles.
Is this the price they must pay to enter??

So for me in closing, if you’re here legally and have gone through the process, or were born here then welcome you have nothing to fear. Every person in the world has basic human rights that is a given and they deserve to seek out and improve their lives.

P.S. Sheriff Joe deserves a whole other thread all to himself, he has so run his course as sheriff here, yet we still put him in office time and time again.

[Corkey]

The law is unconstitutional. AZ is usurping the federal mandates. There is no justification for racial profiling, and the way to change things is thru Federal legislation. Yes joe is another thread altogether.

[apretty]

i can only hope that someone is kind enough to deport me back to california before i run into another well-meaning and misguided individual that thinks mexicans are "stealing their jobs".

(tip: immigrants pay taxes and they also boost arizona's economy by a BILLION dollars each year.)

[apretty]

hey there, your facts are one-sided. care to detail what immigrants do FOR arizona?

thanks!

Originally Posted by DeanRobert

I to am a citizen of Arizona, Phoenix to be exact and I live in the Maryvale area. Those of you that live here know that Maryvale is predominately, about 80% Hispanic.

Please do not take what I am about to say and turn it into something else. There are parts of this bill that I agree with and other parts that I don’t.
I have sat here out of fairness to all of you and read each and every post.

No one has taken the time to post the actual bill on line for all to read. Those of you that want to take the time and read this bill you can find it at www.kpho.com.

Do I think parts of this bill can and will result in racism, yes most likely it will, there are bad apples in all of the police departments but there is a true need for Arizona to enact some kind of immigration legislation.

For example:

[1]Arizona arrests and deports the largest amount of illegal immigrants in the United States with estimates rising to over 450,000 the past 10 years. Right now it is estimated that there are over 40,000 a year that pass over our border.

[2]We spend over 300 million a year on just on medical, and social services for them. This does not count what we spend to educate their children. Our state budget is in crises and can’t keep supporting those that are not here legally.

[3]The last 5 police officers here killed in the line of duty, were killed by illegal immigrants that had arrest warrants on them. One of our largest and most respected cattle ranchers was killed on his own property by an illegal immigrant that the police followed for over 20 miles until he passed back into Mexico.

[4] The last 2 governors of this state have asked Presidents Bush and Obama repeatedly for help in securing our borders with out any response or action s coming from the White House.

[5] Arizona is the leader in human trafficking. The immigrants pay “Coyotes”, smugglers, to bring them across the border, many ending up here in Phoenix at drop houses where they are then moved onto other states and through out the country. The vast majority are held against their will while their families are forced to pay a ransom for their freedom. Many of the women are raped, their only other choice is to escape or hope to be freed by one of the local police task forces. Many die in the vast desert that they must cross to enter. Some die in police chases while packed into trucks and other vehicles.
Is this the price they must pay to enter??

So for me in closing, if you’re here legally and have gone through the process, or were born here then welcome you have nothing to fear. Every person in the world has basic human rights that is a given and they deserve to seek out and improve their lives.

P.S. Sheriff Joe deserves a whole other thread all to himself, he has so run his course as sheriff here, yet we still put him in office time and time again.

[Jess]

Originally Posted by Toughy

I heard an interesting spin of this bill on the radio. It seems AZ has tons and tons of newly registered Democratic Party folks and guess what...... they are almost all brown........

So if you want to intimidate new brown voters........hey just put a rent a cop in an uniform and station him/her outside the polling place to stare at all the brown folks waiting to vote or better yet put a real cop out there and have him/her check every brown person in line to see it they have their proper papers..........

The governor of AZ was the Secretary of State before she was moved up and apparently she tossed hundreds of brown folks off the voter rolls..........She is right in there with that Harris woman down in FL around the 2000 elections.

Are these newly registered voters citizens or folks who have a drivers license? Not to get into a big bruhaha, but here in VA we allow non-legal residents to get a drivers license so they can vote, yet don't give them citizenship. Isn't filling out one set of papers as easy as filling out another? Democrats aren't doing anyone any favors with this fake sense off security for non-legal residents.

[apretty]

Originally Posted by Jess

Are these newly registered voters citizens or folks who have a drivers license? Not to get into a big bruhaha, but here in VA we allow non-legal residents to get a drivers license so they can vote, yet don't give them citizenship. Isn't filling out one set of papers as easy as filling out another? Democrats aren't doing anyone any favors with this fake sense off security for non-legal residents.

this reads as though you're racially profiling new az-dem voters. i'm wrong, right?

[Hack]

I was at the gym earlier this evening and caught a snippet on CNN about swastikas being smeared on the Arizona capitol building. I couldn't locate the story just now on the CNN website.

Any further developments?

[apretty]

Originally Posted by Hack

I was at the gym earlier this evening and caught a snippet on CNN about swastikas being smeared on the Arizona capitol building. I couldn't locate the story just now on the CNN website.

Any further developments?

it was, in BEANS--i think they're calling it graffiti.

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by Jess

Are these newly registered voters citizens or folks who have a drivers license? Not to get into a big bruhaha, but here in VA we allow non-legal residents to get a drivers license so they can vote, yet don't give them citizenship. Isn't filling out one set of papers as easy as filling out another? Democrats aren't doing anyone any favors with this fake sense off security for non-legal residents.

Wait a minute...non legal residents can't vote. They have to vote absentee if they are from a different US state or local, but non legal residents can't vote in the district where they are currently abiding, while having permanent residence in another local. It is against voting regulations for non US citizens to vote in any election.

[UofMfan]

I am sorry, I just have to add. Legal Residents are not allowed to vote, doing so is a Federal crime.

Just because you can get a driver's license it does not mean you can vote. You have to register to vote in order to get a voter's registration card. Such registration requires that you show documents that prove you were either born in the US or became a nationalized citizen.

This is a Federal law!

[Jess]

It's Federal law, but it happens..

http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110010814

Huge concern has been placed upon the access of drivers licenses and the "motor voter" laws made by Clinton. No one checks citizenship when they hit the "ok".

I am still not sure why non-citizens are given a drivers license without the pre-requisite drivers education courses we all had to take in high school.

I am not saying anything like toss em out. I am saying .. by all means make it easier to become a citizen. Have your background checked and sign in like my grandparents did at Ellis Island.

[Dylan]

Originally Posted by Jess

I am not saying anything like toss em out. I am saying .. by all means make it easier to become a citizen. Have your background checked and sign in like my grandparents did at Ellis Island.

This is such a derail, but after your last two posts, I'm getting the impression you're under the impression becoming a citizen is just a matter of a few forms, and then voila!

Am I misreading you?

Also though, when your grandparents came through Ellis Island there were racist laws in place ensuring we didn't let certain groups of people into this country.


Dylan Dyrailer

[UofMfan]

Originally Posted by Jess

It's Federal law, but it happens..

http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110010814

Huge concern has been placed upon the access of drivers licenses and the "motor voter" laws made by Clinton. No one checks citizenship when they hit the "ok".

I am still not sure why non-citizens are given a drivers license without the pre-requisite drivers education courses we all had to take in high school.

I am not saying anything like toss em out. I am saying .. by all means make it easier to become a citizen. Have your background checked and sign in like my grandparents did at Ellis Island.

It happens, it is illegal.

As a former Florida resident I know for a fact that they checked and do so even know, for proof of citizenship or legal residence before issuing a driver's license. I can only speak from experience in that State.

Also, in FL, non-citizens do have to take the same pre-requisite driving courses citizens do. I am wondering what State you speak of where this is happening. I find it difficult, albeit not impossible, to believe.

I wish it were as easy to become a US citizen as it was back in your grandparents day. Or maybe, I wish those people who did become citizens back then would no have selected memory.

[Toughy]

The new brown voters are legal voters.........even the ones she tossed out were legal voters.....remember the hanging chads of FL and the purging of voter rolls in FL prior to the 2000 elections....same shit different state

As Corkey said.........non-citizens are not allowed to vote in any election anywhere in the country.

You don't have to take any kind of driver's education course to get a driver's license. (You took driver's ed so your parents would pay less than both arms and legs when they put you on their car insurance). You take a written test and a driving test. You pass both you get a license if you have proof of car insurance. What does citizenship have to do with a driver's license? They are separate things.

You don't have to have a driver's license to register to vote. If that was true most of NYC could not register to vote.

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DeanRobert............ya might want to go back and read more carefully.............I posted the link to the AZ legislature website that contained the official summary of the bill and you could also read the entire bill.

I find nothing at all in the legislation that has any merit at all...........nothing........nada.........immigrat ion is a federal responsibility.........