It's Time to Boycott Arizona

[Jess]

Originally Posted by Toughy

I heard an interesting spin of this bill on the radio. It seems AZ has tons and tons of newly registered Democratic Party folks and guess what...... they are almost all brown........

So if you want to intimidate new brown voters........hey just put a rent a cop in an uniform and station him/her outside the polling place to stare at all the brown folks waiting to vote or better yet put a real cop out there and have him/her check every brown person in line to see it they have their proper papers..........

The governor of AZ was the Secretary of State before she was moved up and apparently she tossed hundreds of brown folks off the voter rolls..........She is right in there with that Harris woman down in FL around the 2000 elections.

Are these newly registered voters citizens or folks who have a drivers license? Not to get into a big bruhaha, but here in VA we allow non-legal residents to get a drivers license so they can vote, yet don't give them citizenship. Isn't filling out one set of papers as easy as filling out another? Democrats aren't doing anyone any favors with this fake sense off security for non-legal residents.

[apretty]

Originally Posted by Jess

Are these newly registered voters citizens or folks who have a drivers license? Not to get into a big bruhaha, but here in VA we allow non-legal residents to get a drivers license so they can vote, yet don't give them citizenship. Isn't filling out one set of papers as easy as filling out another? Democrats aren't doing anyone any favors with this fake sense off security for non-legal residents.

this reads as though you're racially profiling new az-dem voters. i'm wrong, right?

[Hack]

I was at the gym earlier this evening and caught a snippet on CNN about swastikas being smeared on the Arizona capitol building. I couldn't locate the story just now on the CNN website.

Any further developments?

[apretty]

Originally Posted by Hack

I was at the gym earlier this evening and caught a snippet on CNN about swastikas being smeared on the Arizona capitol building. I couldn't locate the story just now on the CNN website.

Any further developments?

it was, in BEANS--i think they're calling it graffiti.

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by Jess

Are these newly registered voters citizens or folks who have a drivers license? Not to get into a big bruhaha, but here in VA we allow non-legal residents to get a drivers license so they can vote, yet don't give them citizenship. Isn't filling out one set of papers as easy as filling out another? Democrats aren't doing anyone any favors with this fake sense off security for non-legal residents.

Wait a minute...non legal residents can't vote. They have to vote absentee if they are from a different US state or local, but non legal residents can't vote in the district where they are currently abiding, while having permanent residence in another local. It is against voting regulations for non US citizens to vote in any election.

[UofMfan]

I am sorry, I just have to add. Legal Residents are not allowed to vote, doing so is a Federal crime.

Just because you can get a driver's license it does not mean you can vote. You have to register to vote in order to get a voter's registration card. Such registration requires that you show documents that prove you were either born in the US or became a nationalized citizen.

This is a Federal law!

[Jess]

It's Federal law, but it happens..

http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110010814

Huge concern has been placed upon the access of drivers licenses and the "motor voter" laws made by Clinton. No one checks citizenship when they hit the "ok".

I am still not sure why non-citizens are given a drivers license without the pre-requisite drivers education courses we all had to take in high school.

I am not saying anything like toss em out. I am saying .. by all means make it easier to become a citizen. Have your background checked and sign in like my grandparents did at Ellis Island.

[Dylan]

Originally Posted by Jess

I am not saying anything like toss em out. I am saying .. by all means make it easier to become a citizen. Have your background checked and sign in like my grandparents did at Ellis Island.

This is such a derail, but after your last two posts, I'm getting the impression you're under the impression becoming a citizen is just a matter of a few forms, and then voila!

Am I misreading you?

Also though, when your grandparents came through Ellis Island there were racist laws in place ensuring we didn't let certain groups of people into this country.


Dylan Dyrailer

[Jess]

Originally Posted by Dylan

This is such a derail, but after your last two posts, I'm getting the impression you're under the impression becoming a citizen is just a matter of a few forms, and then voila!

Am I misreading you?

Also though, when you're grandparents came through Ellis Island there were racist laws in place ensuring we didn't let certain groups of people into this country.


Dylan Dyrailer

The latter is very true. Why so many people slightly changed the spellings of their surnames. I do not disagree.

My point is, we have made things so much more complicated by "disallowing" folks that we have woven a nasty web for ourselves to be free of. It could have been as simple as filling out a name/ origin/ parental info, etc. But now, folks have to jump through so many hoops to become "legal" here.,

The ironies of our "system" glare at every turn. And ya know.. sometimes things "are" just as simple as the stroke of a pen. Clinton stroked one to make DADT a law. Bush stroked one to go do some shock and awe. Why can't Obama strike one to say that was some bullshit?

It really should be as simple as a few forms... should it not? What do folks of foreign birth have to go through to prove themselves "worthy" ?

Not arguing... just trying to see stuff for what it is, like most everyone out there. Giving government the excuse of "it's more complicated than that" will do nothing but continue to allow them to oppress everyone fighting for a little piece of the pie.

[UofMfan]

Originally Posted by Jess

It's Federal law, but it happens..

http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110010814

Huge concern has been placed upon the access of drivers licenses and the "motor voter" laws made by Clinton. No one checks citizenship when they hit the "ok".

I am still not sure why non-citizens are given a drivers license without the pre-requisite drivers education courses we all had to take in high school.

I am not saying anything like toss em out. I am saying .. by all means make it easier to become a citizen. Have your background checked and sign in like my grandparents did at Ellis Island.

It happens, it is illegal.

As a former Florida resident I know for a fact that they checked and do so even know, for proof of citizenship or legal residence before issuing a driver's license. I can only speak from experience in that State.

Also, in FL, non-citizens do have to take the same pre-requisite driving courses citizens do. I am wondering what State you speak of where this is happening. I find it difficult, albeit not impossible, to believe.

I wish it were as easy to become a US citizen as it was back in your grandparents day. Or maybe, I wish those people who did become citizens back then would no have selected memory.

[Toughy]

The new brown voters are legal voters.........even the ones she tossed out were legal voters.....remember the hanging chads of FL and the purging of voter rolls in FL prior to the 2000 elections....same shit different state

As Corkey said.........non-citizens are not allowed to vote in any election anywhere in the country.

You don't have to take any kind of driver's education course to get a driver's license. (You took driver's ed so your parents would pay less than both arms and legs when they put you on their car insurance). You take a written test and a driving test. You pass both you get a license if you have proof of car insurance. What does citizenship have to do with a driver's license? They are separate things.

You don't have to have a driver's license to register to vote. If that was true most of NYC could not register to vote.

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DeanRobert............ya might want to go back and read more carefully.............I posted the link to the AZ legislature website that contained the official summary of the bill and you could also read the entire bill.

I find nothing at all in the legislation that has any merit at all...........nothing........nada.........immigrat ion is a federal responsibility.........

[Dylan]

You have to be a citizen in Texas to get a license (you *might* be able to have a greencard and some other paperwork, but I know you have to have some sort of something from social security...was just at the DMV last week and overheard a whole conversation between DPS Lady and GuyInFrontOfMe), and if you're under a certain age, you have to take a driver's ed course and pass that class to get a driver's license.

We also now list your race on your DL


Dylan Dyrailer II

[Jess]

Originally Posted by Toughy

The new brown voters are legal voters.........even the ones she tossed out were legal voters.....remember the hanging chads of FL and the purging of voter rolls in FL prior to the 2000 elections....same shit different state

As Corkey said.........non-citizens are not allowed to vote in any election anywhere in the country.

You don't have to take any kind of driver's education course to get a driver's license. (You took driver's ed so your parents would pay less than both arms and legs when they put you on their car insurance). You take a written test and a driving test. You pass both you get a license if you have proof of car insurance. What does citizenship have to do with a driver's license? They are separate things.

You don't have to have a driver's license to register to vote. If that was true most of NYC could not register to vote.

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DeanRobert............ya might want to go back and read more carefully.............I posted the link to the AZ legislature website that contained the official summary of the bill and you could also read the entire bill.

I find nothing at all in the legislation that has any merit at all...........nothing........nada.........immigrat ion is a federal responsibility.........

Actually as a resident of VA you do have to take drivers ed or wait til you are 18 to get a license. Sorry, you not being a resident wouldn't know that. and yes, higher insurance premiums are a punishment for not doing so.
Not saying you have to have a license to vote. Saying that with the passing of motor voter folks are automatically prompted to register to vote upon receipt of a license. That is not checked for citizenship at the level of the DMV office. Besides, if someone has a valid address, it is passed. We had many many cases of it happen in Richmond. So, please do not tell me what you have read when I know what I have seen. Up close, in person.


It's kind of hard to say what someone in a state feels that you don't live in and experience everyday. Reading the legislation doesn't always reflect the feelings of all the residents of that particular state.

[Corkey]

In every state I've ever been in, and there have been many, one needs birth certificate, ssoc card, two photo id's, one will do if other forms are present, ie: DD214, utility bill. One must present a valid birth certificate to register to vote to the DMV. It must have the raised seal of the state of birth. So if your state isn't following the Federal laws of voter registration I would suggest you bring it up when you see it happening.

[betenoire]

Honestly, though. I would probably faint from shock if so much as ONE white person gets randomly asked to show their papers.

Well - maybe in the early days of the legislation they'll ask a few white people. Make a good show of it. "SEE? We asked that there redhead to show us his birth certificate!" But that'll die down quickly.

I bet I, as a pasty red-headed Canadian with freckles, could probably go to AZ and stay there indefinitely and -never- get noticed. Sure, I've got a funny accent - but I'd just tell people I'm from Wisconsin.

[MsMerrick]

Originally Posted by Toughy

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You don't have to have a driver's license to register to vote. If that was true most of NYC could not register to vote.

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Yeah really..