How to hypnotize a Butch...

Dean Thoreau · 11-22-2009, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by morningstar55

Instructions:

1) click on the link below

2) Click on the picture, and drag it a little to the right, or left, or up,

right .. what ever you prefer! and then drop it....... and watch...

http://www.mxfiles.kneib.biz/drag_an...k_spezial.html

Ok morningstar, after 45 minutes i got a little dizzy tho

morningstar55 · 11-22-2009, 01:31 PM

lol Dean...........
im sorry for those whom did not find it humorus.....
didnt mean to offend.....
someone sent it to me and just wanted to share a lil chuckle....
i know everyone is different.

Dean Thoreau · 11-22-2009, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by morningstar55

lol Dean...........
im sorry for those whom did not find it humorus.....
didnt mean to offend.....
someone sent it to me and just wanted to share a lil chuckle....
i know everyone is different.

Morningstar,
There is no reason to be sorry. no matter what a person posts, or says , or does someone will find it insulting, annoying, politically incorrect, or some other something. that is life in the cosmos. And sometimes u just have to do three things:

1. say wtf
2. not be afraid to laugh at yourself
3. Look at it and say in the greater scheme of things does it really matter.

and sometimes u just have to put on your teflon suit and stand proud.
Morningstar..allow me to say that if by laughing at the website you posted I am now considered an insensitive, sexist, umannerly, stupid dick head.....so be it.....I am sure it will not be the last time....and frankly i dont give a

love ya morningstar and keep on postin funny stuff

Dean

BullDog · 11-22-2009, 02:06 PM

So many opportunities to address misogyny come up every day.
So many opportunities to reflect on the collective messages that get sent out constantly about women every day- see apretty's post.
So many opportunities to stand up and say no we aren't going to settle for this bullshit. We are better than this.
Hell, we are even funnier than this. A lot funnier.
Tick, tick, tick.

Selenay · 11-22-2009, 02:20 PM

http://www.mxfiles.kneib.biz/blubb.html

http://www.mxfiles.kneib.biz/drag_and_go_back_mask.html

Toughy · 11-22-2009, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean Thoreau

Morningstar,
There is no reason to be sorry. no matter what a person posts, or says , or does someone will find it insulting, annoying, politically incorrect, or some other something. that is life in the cosmos. And sometimes u just have to do three things:

1. say wtf
2. not be afraid to laugh at yourself
3. Look at it and say in the greater scheme of things does it really matter.

and sometimes u just have to put on your teflon suit and stand proud.
Morningstar..allow me to say that if by laughing at the website you posted I am now considered an insensitive, sexist, umannerly, stupid dick head.....so be it.....I am sure it will not be the last time....and frankly i dont give a

love ya morningstar and keep on postin funny stuff

Dean

The truth is there is not a damn thing funny about any of these kind of images. Anyone who finds them funny really ought to do a bit of thinking about misogyny. Saying that anyone who objects to this crap is being politically correct is offensive on so many levels. Saying that I (or anyone) should somehow find these images as a way to laugh at myself is dishonest and lacks any kind of character.

How are you perpetuating misogyny by posting this crap? Why would crap like this hypnotize a butch? What are we butches.....a bunch of knuckle draggers who yuck it up over degrading and objectifying women?

Who in the hell would want to stand proud around this kind of degrading objectification of women?

Be warned. I will call out this shit every single time someone posts it.

I am truly truly sick and tired of this. I am truly not going to allow this to go on without saying something.

It would be my sincere hope that the administrators will do something to address misogyny on this website. I am also reporting the original post. I want everyone to know that.

Dean Thoreau · 11-22-2009, 05:21 PM

The truth is................. this thread is in the section called:
FUN FLUFF LIGHT...........................

and since we have been given a wonderful selection of smilies I will merely say:

it time to stop

and how long before PETA Butches or Femmes or Trans complain about the deadhorse smiley? dont you get it....no matter what anyone says someone wont like it! Its called having a little tolerance, and if you expect tolerance its a good idea to give it!

Legendryder · 11-22-2009, 05:44 PM

Wow. I gotta go look at those new smilies!! I love that dead horse one.

Admin · 11-22-2009, 06:09 PM

Sexism isnt a matter of someone's personal preference. It is an ingrained thought process and way of being that has to be actively worked on to overcome.

Is the video sexist? Yes.

Do I think Morningstar is a bad person? Nope. Quite the contrary, I think she is quite lovely.

Do we ALL need to think about how watching a random woman's torso wiggle reinforces the "it puts the lotion on it's skin" type of thinking? Yes.

When women's bodies are objectified as a disconnected body v. person dichotomy, it affects ALL of us. The disconnected body mindset helps contribute to sexual abuse, rape, assault, and sexual compromise.

It is simply NOT ok chalk humor that is based on sexism up to "just a joke", especially not on this site where women, queers, and genderfluid folks need to feel some semblance of respect.

I will be addressing this issue in another thread and the TOS.

Until then, (T-u-f-f-y), please understand that moderating people will not force an evolution in thinking. We have to find ways as a community to uplift one another without making it personal, ways to illustrate the damage that sexism causes to us, and ways to educate instead of separate. This CAN and WILL be done.

Admin

girl_dee · 11-22-2009, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legendryder

Wow. I gotta go look at those new smilies!! I love that dead horse one.

yes exactly

Morningstar loves horses, she hasn't to my knowledge asked why we may find that smilie offensive, not once.

Its a matter of opinion and in MY opinion if this is up for debate open a new thread and get the hell off of the original poster of this thread.

QueenofQueens · 11-22-2009, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean Thoreau

The truth is................. this thread is in the section called:
FUN FLUFF LIGHT...........................

and since we have been given a wonderful selection of smilies I will merely say:

it time to stop

and how long before PETA Butches or Femmes or Trans complain about the deadhorse smiley? dont you get it....no matter what anyone says someone wont like it! Its called having a little tolerance, and if you expect tolerance its a good idea to give it!

With all due respect, Dean, cruelty should never be tolerated. It should especially not ever be tolerated in the form of sexism and misogyny, especially not within the context of a queer website created by female bodied people. The link Morningstar posted is a subtle expression of violence toward women, which is what makes it unacceptable.

I know that Morningstar is a kind person who would not intentionally promote cruelty or perpetuate this type of damaging, sexist imagery. The problem with what she posted, is that women worldwide are still dehumanized and their bodies treated as objects every single day. Our only value, in many places, is measured as a sexual commodity. The type of image that Morningstar linked to, perpetuates this cycle and has no place in an equitable space that values women.

When we look at a picture that truncates a woman's head from her torso, she becomes nothing more than an object existing to facilitate the sexual pleasure of the dominant culture. She is, in essence a disposable collection of body parts. We don't even think about her parts as belonging to a real, whole, human being.

It's easy to giggle at silly shit in a superficial way without ever taking a minute to read a little deeper into its meaning. It's easy, but it doesn't change the very grim reality that so many women face every day, nor does it eradicate the deeply entrenched sexism and misogyny we've all been raised with.

Just take a minute to really think about what you're putting out there and who it might hurt. It will ultimately make all the difference in the world.

Respectfully,

QoQ

Legendryder · 11-22-2009, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QueenofQueens

With all due respect, Dean, cruelty should never be tolerated. It should especially not ever be tolerated in the form of sexism and misogyny, especially not within the context of a queer website created by female bodied people. The link Morningstar posted is a subtle expression of violence toward women, which is what makes it unacceptable.

I know that Morningstar is a kind person who would not intentionally promote cruelty or perpetuate this type of damaging, sexist imagery. The problem with what she posted, is that women worldwide are still dehumanized and their bodies treated as objects every single day. Our only value, in many places, is measured only as a sexual object. The type of image that Morningstar linked to perpetuates this cycle and has no place in an equitable space that values women.

When we look at a picture that truncates a woman's head from her torso, she becomes nothing more than an object existing to facilitate the sexual pleasure of the dominant culture. She is, in essence disposable. We don't even think about her parts as belonging to a real, whole, human being when we see it, because it's all we see.

It's easy to giggle at silly shit in a superficial way without ever taking a minute to read a little deeper into its meaning. It's easy, but it doesn't change the very grim reality that so many women face every day, nor does it eradicate the deeply entrenched sexism and misogyny we've all been raised with.

Just take a minute to really think about what you're putting out there and who it might hurt. It will ultimately make all the difference in the world.

Respectfully,

QoQ

Now this is the way to explain it. Thank you for your subtle and kind words.

Toughy · 11-22-2009, 06:27 PM

I truly appreciate all the reps I'm getting. Instead of repping me........why not post what you said to me in this thread.

--------
Thanks to the Admins for stepping up and addressing this. I look forward to the new thread and discussion and seeing how the TOS will address this.

blush · 11-22-2009, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean Thoreau

The truth is................. this thread is in the section called:
FUN FLUFF LIGHT...........................

and since we have been given a wonderful selection of smilies I will merely say:

it time to stop

and how long before PETA Butches or Femmes or Trans complain about the deadhorse smiley? dont you get it....no matter what anyone says someone wont like it! Its called having a little tolerance, and if you expect tolerance its a good idea to give it!

I think we've all tolerated enough of these kinds of threads and this kind of response. If we are going to move past the drooling butch stereotype, then we have to quit "tolerating" this type of humor.

IMO, this is flagrantly offensive. I have no beef with Morning, I don't know her. I do think this is a poor choice.

Mister Bent · 11-22-2009, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blush

I agree. This is, at best, tiresome. It's insulting to butches because it assumes that they are that shallow and mindless. It's REAAALLY insulting to femmes for reasons apretty has already covered.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean Thoreau

Morningstar,
There is no reason to be sorry. no matter what a person posts, or says , or does someone will find it insulting, annoying, politically incorrect, or some other something. that is life in the cosmos. And sometimes u just have to do three things:

1. say wtf
2. not be afraid to laugh at yourself
3. Look at it and say in the greater scheme of things does it really matter.

and sometimes u just have to put on your teflon suit and stand proud.
Morningstar..allow me to say that if by laughing at the website you posted I am now considered an insensitive, sexist, umannerly, stupid dick head.....so be it.....I am sure it will not be the last time....and frankly i dont give a

love ya morningstar and keep on postin funny stuff

Dean

There may not be reasons to be "sorry" wtfuckever that means, but there are reasons to step back and consider what Medusa said,

D O S O M E T H I N K I N G around objectification and sexism

I mean, come on. What are we, a bunch of stupid dick head frat boys? I like to think being butch means I am a more highly evolved creature than one that listens to the head-with-no-brain in his pants.

As the step parent to a teenage girl, I consider it my duty to protect her from sexist and objectifying

(placing request for garbage can emoticon).

I get what you're saying, Dean, about not taking ourselves too seriously, but there are certain VALUES we should strive to uphold.

Arwen · 11-22-2009, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean Thoreau

Morningstar,
There is no reason to be sorry. no matter what a person posts, or says , or does someone will find it insulting, annoying, politically incorrect, or some other something. that is life in the cosmos. And sometimes u just have to do three things:

1. say wtf
2. not be afraid to laugh at yourself
3. Look at it and say in the greater scheme of things does it really matter.

and sometimes u just have to put on your teflon suit and stand proud.

Or you can do a fourth thing and take a step back from your self and see why others would find it offensive. Then you can actually try to think about it from a different POV.

Dean, your response is what set my teeth on edge. If you honestly do not see anything wrong with objectifying women as well as being demeaned as a drooling fool, then that's your choice. However, I'm sure there are far more accepting places for that kind of attitude than this Planet.

Barb, I do know you and I do not think you did this for any reason other than you found it funny. Sometimes, you have to rethink what is funny and examine things a bit, right? You are not a stupid or uncaring woman. So do know that.

My thought would be this...if I am going to post something I think is funny, then I examine it to see if it really would be.

People get offended by things I never see coming. My family thinks I'm a humorless beeyotch because I will send things back and tell them why it is not funny. And that's okay. I'd rather be thought of as unfunny than see/read the constant barrage of mean-spirited jokes.

Back to you, Dean. Your response came across as very defensive. Did you stop to consider what was being said about the link or did you just kneejerk your reaction? I ask that in all sincerity because I know that I have kneejerked a reaction or two (hundred) in my day.

So which is it, Dean? Are you a thinking, caring butch or are you the misogynistic jerk you have portrayed yourself as here?

Arwen · 11-22-2009, 09:43 PM

Sassy, please point out to me where I said that Dean was a misogynistic jerk. Here, I'll quote what I said.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arwen

So which is it, Dean? Are you a thinking, caring butch or are you the misogynistic jerk you have portrayed yourself as here?

Do you see that I asked him which he was? That I said it was what he himself portrayed himself to be?

I really really really dislike being misquoted. Please make sure you know EXACTLY what it is you are accusing me of before doing so.

With all due respect, of course.

Kosmo · 11-22-2009, 09:51 PM

*screeching sound of rubber (bottom of my Chuck's) smokin' the pavement*. At first I thought I was in the wrong thread. I'd better go to page 1.

Kosmo · 11-22-2009, 10:05 PM

Hmmm. Well I haven't read anything that would hypnotize me yet, but damn, look at that selection of smiles...smilies...smi

Cyclopea · 11-22-2009, 10:11 PM

That is so strange the way that ass wiggles back and forth depending on the way you click it.
Hypnotic? Yes, it kinda is! Haha!

I see that many have expressed grave upset at all images of disembodied female asses, and I respect that. There certainly are a lot of disembodied female asses online aren't there? Disembodied cleavage too.

Even so, hypnotic clicky disembodied asses are just amusing, whether that is a female ass, or a male ass, or a disembodied monkey ass. Asses are just inherently funny. (To me). I don't think that makes me sexist.

Morningstar I hope you and others will not be afraid to post even lightly humorous threads for fear of being flamed. You gave me a smile with your thread and it did not offend me.

11-22-2009, 01:31 PM	#2
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Kosmo Member How Do You Identify?: just me Preferred Pronoun?: he Relationship Status: This seat is taken Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Buckeye Posts: 210 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 180 Thanked 274 Times in 119 Posts Rep Power: 227089	Hmmm. Well I haven't read anything that would hypnotize me yet, but damn, look at that selection of smiles...smilies...smi

11-22-2009, 10:11 PM	#20
Cyclopea Member How Do You Identify?: Butch Lesbian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Exit Zero Posts: 1,267 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 1,694 Thanked 1,615 Times in 632 Posts Rep Power: 226200	That is so strange the way that ass wiggles back and forth depending on the way you click it. Hypnotic? Yes, it kinda is! Haha! I see that many have expressed grave upset at all images of disembodied female asses, and I respect that. There certainly are a lot of disembodied female asses online aren't there? Disembodied cleavage too. Even so, hypnotic clicky disembodied asses are just amusing, whether that is a female ass, or a male ass, or a disembodied monkey ass. Asses are just inherently funny. (To me). I don't think that makes me sexist. Morningstar I hope you and others will not be afraid to post even lightly humorous threads for fear of being flamed. You gave me a smile with your thread and it did not offend me.