Men with boobs.

[Toughy]

For some Butches, it means they DO care, but they bow to the reality of living in a mostly heterosexual world--and that means this, this community right here, is the only place where they can be validated for the male side of their being.

I don't know if I said this on this site or a different one, but I have said this before.

My insecurities have never been about my masculinity. That is the obvious, visible part of me. My insecurity lies in being a woman. Little kids ask me if I am a boy or a girl and that includes my nieces/nephews and their kids. I pass as man at least 75% of the time and probably 90+%, but I don't want to see that.

The first time I remember being called Sir was when I was 18 and on a date with my fiance (yes I was engaged to a man).............you can only imagine what he had to say to me about that.......

My point is............this butch/femme on-line community could be the first exposure to and sometimes the only place where a very masculine woman could be recognized as woman. To not be pigeon-holed to being a man simply because I don't happen fit in 'normal society' as a woman. A place to be accepted and loved for who I am......a masculine female.....a butch woman.

I thank Angie and Jack for intentionally creating a space where this can happen.

[Toughy]

Originally Posted by Toughy

I don't know if I said this on this site or a different one, but I have said this before.

My insecurities have never been about my masculinity. That is the obvious, visible part of me. My insecurity lies in being a woman. Little kids ask me if I am a boy or a girl and that includes my nieces/nephews and their kids. I pass as man at least 75% of the time and probably 90+%, but I don't want to see that.

The first time I remember being called Sir was when I was 18 and on a date with my fiance (yes I was engaged to a man).............you can only imagine what he had to say to me about that.......

My point is............this butch/femme on-line community could be the first exposure to and sometimes the only place where a very masculine woman could be recognized as woman. To not be pigeon-holed to being a man simply because I don't happen fit in 'normal society' as a woman. A place to be accepted and loved for who I am......a masculine female.....a butch woman.

I thank Angie and Jack for intentionally creating a space where this can happen.

I quote myself for a reason..........I wanted to add

A place to be accepted and loved for being a butch woman who has a cunt, a clit, and a cock..............

[redrose]

i did love a butch, and i still love her, whatever they say about butches, i just love her, including her boobs (lol!), i love the whole package, and no one can stop me from loving her, i love her, i love her, i just love her

[BullDog]

Originally Posted by Toughy

I don't know if I said this on this site or a different one, but I have said this before.

My insecurities have never been about my masculinity. That is the obvious, visible part of me. My insecurity lies in being a woman. Little kids ask me if I am a boy or a girl and that includes my nieces/nephews and their kids. I pass as man at least 75% of the time and probably 90+%, but I don't want to see that.

The first time I remember being called Sir was when I was 18 and on a date with my fiance (yes I was engaged to a man).............you can only imagine what he had to say to me about that.......

My point is............this butch/femme on-line community could be the first exposure to and sometimes the only place where a very masculine woman could be recognized as woman. To not be pigeon-holed to being a man simply because I don't happen fit in 'normal society' as a woman. A place to be accepted and loved for who I am......a masculine female.....a butch woman.

I thank Angie and Jack for intentionally creating a space where this can happen.

Thanks for this Toughy. It's been gnawing at me for a few days. Yes male identified butches need a place for support and being understood. So do butch women. So do femmes and trans people and everyone.

Coming into a place as a butch woman where you think you are finally with your community and then being He'd all the time and always compared or likened to men- what does that do for the validation for butch women? We are called the right pronouns in the outside world (although still quite misunderstood), but the wrong ones in our own community? That's what it was like for quite some time before this site. So the first exposure many butch women had to an online b-f community (and many people have a limited or non-existence real time b-f community) was to immediately be called He.

All of us need validation. All of us need support. I don't feel that male pronouns are the default here at BFP. I am very happy about that. I also have no problem referring to anyone as He who wants to be referred that way.

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by Toughy

I don't know if I said this on this site or a different one, but I have said this before.

My insecurities have never been about my masculinity. That is the obvious, visible part of me. My insecurity lies in being a woman. Little kids ask me if I am a boy or a girl and that includes my nieces/nephews and their kids. I pass as man at least 75% of the time and probably 90+%, but I don't want to see that.

The first time I remember being called Sir was when I was 18 and on a date with my fiance (yes I was engaged to a man).............you can only imagine what he had to say to me about that.......

My point is............this butch/femme on-line community could be the first exposure to and sometimes the only place where a very masculine woman could be recognized as woman. To not be pigeon-holed to being a man simply because I don't happen fit in 'normal society' as a woman. A place to be accepted and loved for who I am......a masculine female.....a butch woman.

I thank Angie and Jack for intentionally creating a space where this can happen.

This is exactly how it is for me in navigating the world, past and present. And I am glad that it also a space in which those who need the other side/any and all sides to this equation can be themselves. And I will always bring out the wonder I feel as a butch woman with breasts, vagina, clitoris and accessories as needed. (Yup, I’m a breast stimulated cuming, penetration adoring, un-invested in butch cock as required not afraid to say it butch woman that continually is called sir who corrects when called such!Oh, and did you know that some men cum via breast stimulation.. without anything going on with their cock?) Like I said before, I am not going to hide my female/woman features or allow my being female-identified be dismissed or shamed (or relegated to butch-lite - love this, Bully)). I also believe that this community can stand together and fight every form of misogyny and sexism, trans/homophobia or various negative judgments of sexuality (i.e., stone, BDSM) that hurts every single one of us no matter how we identify or live our lives.

No, I won't be pigeon-holed to being a man (or male defaulted) either, but to me as a person, recognizing what goes on for people on these various sides is important and is a major factor that makes this a community. I don't have to be something, understand it fully or even agree with it in order to honor its right for recognition and liberty among this entire community (been thinking a lot about constitutional matters lately, so terms like liberty and justice are just on my mind - its an election year with another Supreme Court nomination going on).

Oh, I already have ringing in my ears! I don’t care if my butchness gets called into question (although think this is palin bullshit), I know who I am and I don’t partake in popularity contests. The same femme that wanted to change my first name to something more manly also told me I would never gain respect from other butches unless I became enamored with and invested in butch cock. ARGH!! And yes, I have gotten shit from butches too around this stuff (guess she had a point), been snubbed by some of them, etc. - so please, do not take that statement as blaming everything on femmes- I don’t. This garbage falls into both butch & femme categories and we all need to own it and erradicate it.

[BullDog]

Tonight I was lucky enough to get together with a group of people that included femmes, a couple butches that go by He, quite a few butches that go by She, and some people whom I am not sure how they identify. Anyway, the important thing wasn't everyone's pronouns or gender identity. What was important was we had good conversation, games, food and delicious cupcakes!

[Medusa]

Originally Posted by BullDog

Tonight I was lucky enough to get together with a group of people that included femmes, a couple butches that go by He, quite a few butches that go by She, and some people whom I am not sure how they identify. Anyway, the important thing wasn't everyone's pronouns or gender identity. What was important was we had good conversation, games, food and delicious cupcakes!

Bully,

Your post has been reported for taunting the rest of us about the cupcakes. Someone needs to share!!!!!!
(Did anyone lose a fillng?!)

[BullDog]

Originally Posted by Medusa

Bully,

Your post has been reported for taunting the rest of us about the cupcakes. Someone needs to share!!!!!!
(Did anyone lose a fillng?!)

The Ezee-June cupcakes were out of this world! I had two, even though they were incredibly rich. No fillings were lost, just lots of pleasant sugar highs. We even got to take one home!

I truly wish everyone could have been there.

[Queerasfck]

Originally Posted by BullDog

The Ezee-June cupcakes were out of this world! I had two, even though they were incredibly rich. No fillings were lost, just lots of pleasant sugar highs. We even got to take one home!

I truly wish everyone could have been there.

Next time we're so there. Sounds like you all had a wonderful time.
I've always wanted to see Portland and June's chicken. Wondering if it's like Betty White's muffin.......

[BullDog]

Originally Posted by EzeeTiger

Next time we're so there. Sounds like you all had a wonderful time.
I've always wanted to see Portland and June's chicken. Wondering if it's like Betty White's muffin.......

Awesome Ezee! It will be great to see you and apretty.

[JustJo]

Originally Posted by AtLastHome

I don't have to be something, understand it fully or even agree with it in order to honor its right for recognition and liberty among this entire community

Thank you AtLast...you've summed up exactly what I feel in this one sentence. As a newbie to this dynamic there's alot that I don't understand; there's alot that I am not ...and there's even some that personally confuses the heck out of me ...but I am with you that I absolutely honor everyone's right to be who they are, and to be recognized...and even celebrated....for that.