Men with boobs.

blush · 05-16-2010, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by HowSoonIsNow

No, my post wasn't so much about pronouns--I'm pretty solid about noticing and/or remembering people's preferences.

I was just making an observation that the topic of butch and masculine/male identities garner so much more attention and discussion than threads which attempt to explore femme identities/experiences. And, yes, there is some frustration with that fact but some interesting ideas were posited about why that may be.

My initial response was more relevant to what you had posted. I edited it.
Sorry for the confusion.

I think we're all pretty solid on our awareness of people's preferences. But I think femmes are held more accountable than other people if the pronoun is incorrect, or if she admits that sometimes it's hard.

Dude · 05-16-2010, 11:50 AM

For starters, I really take offence with the short man with boobs thing this
woman said.

I wont go on about my problem with short men. My dad was one,nearly all of my bosses
have exuded the stuff of the short man syndrome.
It would be completely unfair to short men everywhere to say they are all alike, I get that.

With the short man and the boobs word ,I would be completely insulted by them used
together to describe me to the fuckin world.

Let me talk cows then.

Had I been born a cow , bull would be what I identified with from a very young age.
I dreamed of having a wife and providing for my family from the age of 10ish.
Smallish udders began to appear 6 years after that. At that time, I decided I could
have a nice life after surgery.
As time went by, I realized there were women who preferred odd ducks such as
myself and surgery was not really necessary at this point in time.

Later, I realized my mom would have huge issues (nervous breakdown or perhaps tons of dramatics as to what she had done wrong as a mother when it came to me)
She would have been horrified. It was hard enough for her to be the first to tell me at 12 "woah
you are a butch"!!!
I loved her and did nothing. On morphine, towards her passing was when she was able to enjoy me for being just who I am.

So for me it's all very personal. 9 times out of 10 it seems people out and about ,or at work etc call me sir.

I don't have the energy or words to correct them all.
Especially if I'm correcting them to a maam or miss or she.

This does not negate the fact that I also am very proud of the many times I have been
the first bull with udders to be hired to do a strictly bull job.

My honey just reminded me of a movie called barnyard she made me watch with her.
The boy cows even have udders.

She then told me I cant be Ben the bull because Ben was nice and I'm not a cow I'm an ass.

05-16-2010, 11:50 AM	#2
Dude Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Butch Relationship Status: Perusing Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: exit 5 with an exit 21 goal Posts: 1,725 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 15,351 Thanked 10,605 Times in 1,477 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	For starters, I really take offence with the short man with boobs thing this woman said. I wont go on about my problem with short men. My dad was one,nearly all of my bosses have exuded the stuff of the short man syndrome. It would be completely unfair to short men everywhere to say they are all alike, I get that. With the short man and the boobs word ,I would be completely insulted by them used together to describe me to the fuckin world. Let me talk cows then. Had I been born a cow , bull would be what I identified with from a very young age. I dreamed of having a wife and providing for my family from the age of 10ish. Smallish udders began to appear 6 years after that. At that time, I decided I could have a nice life after surgery. As time went by, I realized there were women who preferred odd ducks such as myself and surgery was not really necessary at this point in time. Later, I realized my mom would have huge issues (nervous breakdown or perhaps tons of dramatics as to what she had done wrong as a mother when it came to me) She would have been horrified. It was hard enough for her to be the first to tell me at 12 "woah you are a butch"!!! I loved her and did nothing. On morphine, towards her passing was when she was able to enjoy me for being just who I am. So for me it's all very personal. 9 times out of 10 it seems people out and about ,or at work etc call me sir. I don't have the energy or words to correct them all. Especially if I'm correcting them to a maam or miss or she. This does not negate the fact that I also am very proud of the many times I have been the first bull with udders to be hired to do a strictly bull job. My honey just reminded me of a movie called barnyard she made me watch with her. The boy cows even have udders. She then told me I cant be Ben the bull because Ben was nice and I'm not a cow I'm an ass.