Transgender People in the Military

Andrea · 03-24-2018, 10:51 AM

I believe the reason Dear Leader has brought this up again is both as you say to distract from other news and as a way to retain his standing with the Evangelical Christians. He needs someone to feed his ego.

While the stated provisions appear tolerable, they are not fair. No one should have to wait to join the military until they are certain they have completed all medically necessary surgeries and therapy.

I have known people that didn't understand they were trans until later in life and I know people that have no desire to have all the surgeries others have had. At what point are they considered done? What if they change their minds later and want an additional surgery or when a surgery they are comfortable with comes along?

And not everyone needs 18 months of therapy to know they are transgender and want to transition.

Transgender people are just people with regular medical needs. They should be treated like any other person that joins the service or is in the service.

I am most certainly not an expert and can only base my thoughts on people I know and things I read, so please feel free to correct me if I have interpreted the requirements incorrectly or misunderstand the needs of anyone wanting to transition.

DapperButch · 03-24-2018, 12:13 PM

yep. Yep. YEP! Wonderfully, written post!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrea

I believe the reason Dear Leader has brought this up again is both as you say to distract from other news and as a way to retain his standing with the Evangelical Christians. He needs someone to feed his ego.

While the stated provisions appear tolerable, they are not fair. No one should have to wait to join the military until they are certain they have completed all medically necessary surgeries and therapy.

I have known people that didn't understand they were trans until later in life and I know people that have no desire to have all the surgeries others have had. At what point are they considered done? What if they change their minds later and want an additional surgery or when a surgery they are comfortable with comes along?

And not everyone needs 18 months of therapy to know they are transgender and want to transition.

Transgender people are just people with regular medical needs. They should be treated like any other person that joins the service or is in the service.

I am most certainly not an expert and can only base my thoughts on people I know and things I read, so please feel free to correct me if I have interpreted the requirements incorrectly or misunderstand the needs of anyone wanting to transition.

Andrea · 03-24-2018, 04:13 PM

Bumpity Bump!

DapperButch · 03-25-2018, 07:19 PM

This article talks about how it is Pence that set Trump to ban trans people in the military. Mattis's February report said they should stay, but Pence changed things up.

https://thinkprogress.org/pence-resp...-f4d3b67bde47/

"When President Trump announced a new ban on transgender people serving in the military late Friday, it was somewhat of a surprise — Defense Secretary Jim Mattis had reportedly recommended in February that Trump allow transgender people to serve. It turns out that Vice President Pence and some of the country’s most prominent anti-LGBTQ activists had a role in reversing the outcome, which explains why the report explaining the decision is rife with anti-trans junk science.

Slate’s Mark Joseph Stern reported Friday night that, according to multiple sources, Pence played “a leading role” in creating the report, along with Ryan T. Anderson of the Heritage Foundation, which has been dubbed “Trump’s favorite think tank,” and Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council (FRC), an anti-LGBTQ hate group. Both Heritage and FRC praised the report Friday. According to Stern’s reporting, it was true that Mattis favored allowing transgender military service, but Pence “effectively overruled” him."

Femmewench · 03-25-2018, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DapperButch

It turns out that Vice President Pence and some of the country’s most prominent anti-LGBTQ activists had a role in reversing the outcome, which explains why the report explaining the decision is rife with anti-trans junk science.

Slate’s Mark Joseph Stern reported Friday night that, according to multiple sources, Pence played “a leading role” in creating the report, along with Ryan T. Anderson of the Heritage Foundation, which has been dubbed “Trump’s favorite think tank,” and Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council (FRC), an anti-LGBTQ hate group. Both Heritage and FRC praised the report Friday. According to Stern’s reporting, it was true that Mattis favored allowing transgender military service, but Pence “effectively overruled” him."

And this is why I want Trump to remain in office until 2021. Unless he, Pence and the next six people in line for the presidency all go at the same time, it can be worse than Trump. He's just crazy and has no political savvy. The next seven people in line for his job have the political savvy along with the security of their righteousness of their beliefs to try and eradicate all gains which have been made in the last 60 years.

DapperButch · 04-30-2018, 08:52 PM

From the TransAdvocate (whole article):

Military Ban is stayed, once again

In yet another rebuke of President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence, a federal judge has once again barred the implementation of the administration’s ban on transgender people serving openly in the United States Military.

The Government had been arguing that their ban on transgender service members was a new one, claiming that the previous ban was revoked, and the new ban replaced it fully. In reviewing the ban, however, U.S. District Judge Marsha Pechman disagreed, declaring that the new ban, “did not substantively rescind or revoke the ban, but instead threaten the very same violations that caused it and other courts to enjoin the ban in the first place.”

In reaching this decision, Judge Pechman went a step further, declaring that transgender people themselves were a protected class and that the actions against the military ban issued in December of last year should remain in place.

In discussing the history of discrimination faced by transgender people in the face of this ban, Judge Pechman said, “the history of discrimination and systemic oppression of transgender people in this country is long and well-recognized. Transgender people have suffered and continue to suffer endemic levels of physical and sexual violence, harassment, and discrimination in employment, education, housing, criminal justice, and access to health care.” Meanwhile, Judge Pechman also concluded that “discrimination against transgender people clearly is unrelated to their ability to perform and contribute to society.

Meanwhile, Judge Pechman did not focus on the current justifications of the ban, largely due to the haste in which they were presented to her. While lawmakers are questioning exactly who is behind the current version of the ban, Judge Pechman essentially left this up to the President himself.

“As no other persons have ever been identified by defendants — despite repeated court orders to do so — the court is led to conclude that the ban was devised by the president and the president alone,” said Judge Pechman.

It is widely believed that the ban may have come from Vice President Pence, and was drafted with the assistance of Ryan T. Anderson of the Heritage Foundation and Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council.

While we are far from seeing an end to the efforts of this administration against transgender service members — and all transgender people — this ruling is a significant setback on the current ban, and may point to further difficulties in the courts. It also points to how vital it is that attempts to fill the courts with religious fundamental judges need to continue to be resisted.

http://transadvocate.com/gender-nati...-2_n_22362.htm

Kätzchen · 06-22-2018, 09:58 AM

*** bumpity bump ***

Any new news Dapper or Andrea???

Thanks for this thread about VA news and Trans rights for those serving in the military.

--K.

03-24-2018, 10:51 AM	#1
Andrea Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Mature Femme Preferred Pronoun?: Her/She Relationship Status: I heart Rene Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: California Posts: 3,755 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 15,427 Thanked 14,939 Times in 3,022 Posts Rep Power: 21474850	I believe the reason Dear Leader has brought this up again is both as you say to distract from other news and as a way to retain his standing with the Evangelical Christians. He needs someone to feed his ego. While the stated provisions appear tolerable, they are not fair. No one should have to wait to join the military until they are certain they have completed all medically necessary surgeries and therapy. I have known people that didn't understand they were trans until later in life and I know people that have no desire to have all the surgeries others have had. At what point are they considered done? What if they change their minds later and want an additional surgery or when a surgery they are comfortable with comes along? And not everyone needs 18 months of therapy to know they are transgender and want to transition. Transgender people are just people with regular medical needs. They should be treated like any other person that joins the service or is in the service. I am most certainly not an expert and can only base my thoughts on people I know and things I read, so please feel free to correct me if I have interpreted the requirements incorrectly or misunderstand the needs of anyone wanting to transition. __________________ I am very spoiled! What we think about and thank about, we bring about! Today I will treat my body with love and respect.

03-24-2018, 04:13 PM	#3
Andrea Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Mature Femme Preferred Pronoun?: Her/She Relationship Status: I heart Rene Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: California Posts: 3,755 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 15,427 Thanked 14,939 Times in 3,022 Posts Rep Power: 21474850	Bumpity Bump! __________________ I am very spoiled! What we think about and thank about, we bring about! Today I will treat my body with love and respect.

03-25-2018, 07:19 PM	#4
DapperButch Roadster Guy How Do You Identify?: FTM, Stone Butch Preferred Pronoun?: He Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northeast Posts: 7,745 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 26,545 Thanked 26,814 Times in 5,772 Posts Rep Power: 21474858	This article talks about how it is Pence that set Trump to ban trans people in the military. Mattis's February report said they should stay, but Pence changed things up. https://thinkprogress.org/pence-resp...-f4d3b67bde47/ "When President Trump announced a new ban on transgender people serving in the military late Friday, it was somewhat of a surprise — Defense Secretary Jim Mattis had reportedly recommended in February that Trump allow transgender people to serve. It turns out that Vice President Pence and some of the country’s most prominent anti-LGBTQ activists had a role in reversing the outcome, which explains why the report explaining the decision is rife with anti-trans junk science. Slate’s Mark Joseph Stern reported Friday night that, according to multiple sources, Pence played “a leading role” in creating the report, along with Ryan T. Anderson of the Heritage Foundation, which has been dubbed “Trump’s favorite think tank,” and Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council (FRC), an anti-LGBTQ hate group. Both Heritage and FRC praised the report Friday. According to Stern’s reporting, it was true that Mattis favored allowing transgender military service, but Pence “effectively overruled” him." __________________ -Dapper Are you educated or indoctrinated?

04-30-2018, 08:52 PM	#6
DapperButch Roadster Guy How Do You Identify?: FTM, Stone Butch Preferred Pronoun?: He Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northeast Posts: 7,745 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 26,545 Thanked 26,814 Times in 5,772 Posts Rep Power: 21474858	Annnnnnnd we're still ok! <eye roll> From the TransAdvocate (whole article): Military Ban is stayed, once again In yet another rebuke of President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence, a federal judge has once again barred the implementation of the administration’s ban on transgender people serving openly in the United States Military. The Government had been arguing that their ban on transgender service members was a new one, claiming that the previous ban was revoked, and the new ban replaced it fully. In reviewing the ban, however, U.S. District Judge Marsha Pechman disagreed, declaring that the new ban, “did not substantively rescind or revoke the ban, but instead threaten the very same violations that caused it and other courts to enjoin the ban in the first place.” In reaching this decision, Judge Pechman went a step further, declaring that transgender people themselves were a protected class and that the actions against the military ban issued in December of last year should remain in place. In discussing the history of discrimination faced by transgender people in the face of this ban, Judge Pechman said, “the history of discrimination and systemic oppression of transgender people in this country is long and well-recognized. Transgender people have suffered and continue to suffer endemic levels of physical and sexual violence, harassment, and discrimination in employment, education, housing, criminal justice, and access to health care.” Meanwhile, Judge Pechman also concluded that “discrimination against transgender people clearly is unrelated to their ability to perform and contribute to society. Meanwhile, Judge Pechman did not focus on the current justifications of the ban, largely due to the haste in which they were presented to her. While lawmakers are questioning exactly who is behind the current version of the ban, Judge Pechman essentially left this up to the President himself. “As no other persons have ever been identified by defendants — despite repeated court orders to do so — the court is led to conclude that the ban was devised by the president and the president alone,” said Judge Pechman. It is widely believed that the ban may have come from Vice President Pence, and was drafted with the assistance of Ryan T. Anderson of the Heritage Foundation and Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council. While we are far from seeing an end to the efforts of this administration against transgender service members — and all transgender people — this ruling is a significant setback on the current ban, and may point to further difficulties in the courts. It also points to how vital it is that attempts to fill the courts with religious fundamental judges need to continue to be resisted. http://transadvocate.com/gender-nati...-2_n_22362.htm __________________ -Dapper Are you educated or indoctrinated?

06-22-2018, 09:58 AM	#7
Kätzchen Member How Do You Identify?: Femme Preferred Pronoun?: She, please. Join Date: May 2010 Location: Somewhere over the rainbow ツ Posts: 16,050 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 30,111 Thanked 33,507 Times in 10,638 Posts Rep Power: 21474868	* bumpity bump * Any new news Dapper or Andrea??? Thanks for this thread about VA news and Trans rights for those serving in the military. --K.